Pundits all across the political spectrum have been unable to explain the Trump phenomenon with most falling back on the condescending conclusion that it’s just another one of those occasional populist movements with a base appeal to the great unwashed, those tens of millions out there in flyover land that Obama described as clinging to their guns and religion. There’s a better explanation and its appeal is psychologically deeper than these lazy pundits are looking.
Hillary Clinton, since her emergence from Arkansas as the carefully spoken, Eastern educated, Midwestern mate of the “Aw shucks’ good ol’ boy governor who smooth-talked his way into the White house, has always evoked a visceral response from those of us on the conservative side of politics. That queasy sense that something about this woman just isn’t right turned to outright revulsion when Slick Willie’s gross disrespect for the high office he held opened a can of worms that was more like a cask of copperheads. As revelations of their sleazy and criminal past and present emerged, Hillary came to be the focus of our disgust and anger more so than her degenerate mate, who in spite of all his licentious behavior retained enough of his good ol’ boy charm to maintain some likeability, much like an errant ne’er-do-well uncle. Hillary, standing by her no-good man and attacking the women he allegedly raped and sexually assaulted came to be seen as the scheming enabler in a marriage bereft of any purpose other than political progression, particularly her own. Adding to Hillary’s negative aura were the many insider reports coming out of the Clinton White House about her fuming fits and petty shows of disrespect for those there to serve her husband’s official and personal needs, especially those in military uniform.
Hillary Clinton left the White House with much of the country loathing her while also being fearful of her future political ambitions. It was well understood that her carpet-bagging senatorial campaign in New York was but a step on her path to become the first woman president and her success was followed with a sense of trepidation by those of us who followed the determined path of this venomous politician. It has been that way ever since and now that she is closer than she has ever been, millions of Americans are hoping for something or someone to prevent this horrible woman from leading this country to further Democrat designed decline.
Enter Donald Trump, the brash, outspoken, shoot-from-the-lip, New York billionaire who brooks no political drivel from any source and is fearless when face to face with his opponents. Trump used his twelve gauge delivery to shot-gun the stage in the Republican debates, clearing away those candidates unprepared to deal with this super-confident phenomenon that none of them had ever expected to be there, much less blowing them away with his stage-sweeping bluster. During that first debate, I turned to my wife and remarked that if Hillary happened to be viewing, she must be having some very uncomfortable thoughts about facing such an unconstrained political pit bull on a debate stage with the whole world watching. My wife’s broad grin confirmed my thought that there must be millions of watching Americans who were seeing and feeling the same thing.
And that, all you clueless pundits, is a major reason for the Trump phenomenon; conservative Americans see him favorably as a non-Romney type Republican candidate who will get Hillary on the debate stage and give her the verbal whipping of her life, bluntly demanding from her answers to all those questions about her lurid and even criminal past that we have all longed to see someone ask, without permitting her to weasel out with her usual smokescreen responses. With Donald Trump, for the very first time, American conservatives will have a clever, determined and fearless mongoose going after this Clinton cobra, this dark, menacing thing that has been slithering through the tall weeds of American politics for three decades now. The cobra can spit and she will most certainly strike but as Wikipedia will tell you, the mongoose has an immunity to snake venom while the cobra has little protection against those fierce claws and sharp teeth, just the kind of fight American conservatives are yearning to see, with their money and their votes riding on the Dongoose.
Rudyard Kipling would love it: American conservatives have their very own Rikki-Tikki-Tavi.
Crossposted at American Thinker
One of the many problems that I have with Donald Trump is that he claims to be the solution for a problem that for many years, he was part of.
That problem being big money being given to politicians for access. He has admitted to doing it for many years and now he comes out calling it a problem. I am wondering what happened to make him decide to campaign on this issue?
This and other issues I have with Donald are making me look more and more at a Libertarian Party vote this november.
Suit yourself. Just remember that that kind of thinking damn near gave us a 2nd Carter Administration (due to Anderson) in 1980 – and DID give us “Slick Willie” (due to Perot) in 1992.
The more I see, the more I’m convinced Trump is Hillary with a smaller dick.
Voting for him is about half a shade different than voting for her. He just has less blood on his hands.
In fact, I’ll go so far as to say he’s about as Republican/conservative as Michael Bloomberg, and for many of the same reasons.
So when you read the title, did you read it as “The Don-goose” or “The Dong-oose”?
The second one’s a North Korean rocket…
Naah, that’s the No Dong. Which is even funnier.
With all due respect Hondo, Carter lost 44 out of 50 states and never had a chance in hell of winning reelection.
Perot pulled votes from both parties and Bush was faced with the same issue that John McCain faced when he ran against Obama. Both Bush and McCain lacked the charisma that Clinton and Obama has, and did not know how to combat their opponent’s messages. I honestly don’t think that Bush 41 could have pulled out a win even if it had been a 1 on 1 race.
Yup, and Earl Warren was a criminal prosecutor before he got appointed to the US Supreme Court, and reformed our criminal justice system. Nobody expected it, because he was part of the system. Some people learn.
Earl Warren was no hero to me and, I’m guessing, to many Americans of Japanese descent when was California’s attorney general. Of course, when he pushed for the internment camps, he was mere lad of 52 or so, so I guess that he can be forgiven. I don’t like Warren for an altogether different reason: his boundless judicial activism. Notwithstanding the substance of his and the Warren court’s decisions, we can trace modern legislating from the bench to him. It was Warren who discovered the right to privacy, followed decades later by another jurist discovering a fundamental right to marriage that gays cannot be denied. I understand why he is a hero and saint to libs and progressives. He is neither to me.
The real problem came from campaign finance “reform” after Nixon left office. The result forced candidates to big money contributors because that was the only way they could finance themselves.
The “in” crowd likes this because its another barrier insulating them from challenge.
This has been a very historic primary season I believe for a number of reasons, two of them specifically. I think the Trump phenomenon is one of them, but I think the number of people across the country who are shocked that not every state has a primary where the voters (aka the people, the great unwashed as you say) are allowed to vote and choose whom they believe is most appropriate for their state to support.
I also find it entertaining that some of those areas where the voting was sort of different than a simple state wide voting primary are explaining their system as one that has been in place for over a hundred years….without being too much of a nudge I’d like to point out that a great many things have changed since 1900, like giving women the right to vote and flying some airplanes and city water and sewer…sometimes change is appropriate.
Those turds who keep suggesting Trump might not honor his pledge to not run as a third party ought to ask themselves why should Trump feel bound to honor a pledge like that when the party’s own leaders have suggested Trump is the worst thing to happen to the Republican party? When the leaders are clearly not showing any sense of impartiality and are attacking the front runner and potentially their nominee, why would that front runner be obligated to support the party that doesn’t really want him if it turns out the “Dump Trump” people put Cruz on the ticket in a second ballot?
I notice Cruz is quite comfortable not taking his own advice to withdraw now that he’s been mathematically eliminated from the nomination prior to the convention. He was only too happy to suggest Kasich should drop out because Kasich had been mathematically eliminated, now that the same situation surrounds his candidacy suddenly he claims that Trump can’t mathematically make it either…I’m not certain that Cruz actually understands math based on those comments. It is a simple fact that Cruz can’t get 1237 under any circumstance prior to the convention. It is still quite possible for Trump to get to 1237 so I have no idea how Cruz runs numbers.
If the republicans succeed in dumping Trump at the convention it will be interesting to see what the fallout might be, especially if Trump shows up within 50 delegates of the number and Cruz is several hundred behind. Especially considering the electorate at large doesn’t think the number 2 man should get the nomination. You might be in a front row seat right now to watch the republicans implode and concede the White House, the Senate and consequently the SCOTUS to the democrats, all because they dislike the Trumpster so much and want Ted Cruz the turd and liar. Ted Cruz’s statements have been identified as 26% true or mostly true, which means 3 out of 4 things he says are less than that…I’m not suggesting Trump is a whole lot more honest, but I think we could do without another lying sack of shit pretending to be a wholesome christian running on his own personal sense of values….
As for Kasich, with the delegate counts he’s in fourth place in a 3 man race. Perhaps he thinks that if they all arrive in Cleveland without the necessary 1237 delegates, the unseen(and unknown) powers-that-be will tap him as the white knight who will ride forth to rescue us. Who knows, maybe someone has already told him that?
What’s troubling about that scenario is the rules have not allowed someone with only a single state to their win column to be selected. It makes one wonder why Kasich has stayed in the race knowing full well it would take a rules change that Cruz’s reps and Trump’s reps are unlikely to accommodate.
Does Kasich know something else about the process that the rest don’t? If the standing rules were to only allow balloting on the candidates with 8 or more states in the win column no one but Cruz and Trump would be eligible. Which excludes every name bandied about by the Dump Trump movement.
So is there going to be a push if the convention is contested to alter the standing rules to allow anyone even if they didn’t run or win a state or only one state to suddenly become the nominee?
That could be I suppose, and it will most certainly kill the republicans it would seem. Why would a Cruz or Trump supporter vote for a candidate who didn’t win a state and couldn’t get enough people in the primaries to stay in the race or worse a candidate that wasn’t even on the primary ballots like a Paul Ryan? Just to avoid Hillary? That’s a helluva gamble on the part of the party leaders, more likely those disgruntled voters just stay home…and the republicans can’t win if their own voters stay home.
There’s something to be said for the role of “Kingmaker”…take the VP slot or some other concession.
If neither frontrunner quite makes a first ballot majority, both are badly going to need Kasich’s delegates. (In Trump’s case because Cruz has done a good job securing “second ballot” commitments; in Cruz’s because he is so far behind.)
I agree that the scenario painted involving Kasich is troubling. Who’s to say that the morons who put the Republicans in this position won’t again step on their crank and try to slip in a rules change that allows for Kasich or a Ryan, Mitt or Jeb! to step up and be crowned?
You have quite a long post but a stunning lack of understanding of how the primary elections work. Just like about every Trumper I’ve talked to who just woke up to elections and have no idea what is going on just that “its unfair waaaaa”. All somehow think we live in a democracy. Adams, Jefferson et al are spinning right now.
Wow, jonp, you do tread heavily, don’t you?
You also demonstrate a stunning arrogance in so blithely dismissing Trump supporters in general and VOV in particular. You remind me of those pundits of whom I wrote in the piece, making the same mistake in believing the Trump movement is composed merely of uninformed fools.
It would delight me no end to see you tell someone like Rudy Giuliani that he’s ignorant and politically uninformed because he supports Trump. You are ignoring a simple truth that there are many educated, prosperous citizens who are aligned with Mayor Giuliani.
As far as VOV is concerned, I do believe he could take you apart in a one on one political debate here.
No, Poetrooper. I am relating my experiences with most of the Trump supporters I’ve talked to which seem to mirror, unfortunately, the general electorate. Few know how our process works and are only now crying about it.
As for VOV taking me apart in a political debate, well, he doesn’t seem to know what a Representative Republic is, what the delegate system is or that the political parties are private organizations and make their own rules. It is frustrating to talk to people that want mob rule.
jonp, comprehension helps…I stated clearly in my first sentence that one of the more interesting aspects of this candidacy is the simple fact of how many people are just now becoming aware of how the primary system works. Mostly because prior to this whatever pablum pukers the party put forward as their top guys were so similar nobody really gives two shits which version they chose as their guy because they were mostly all the same guy.
It parallels the absolute shock on the democratic side to discover 20% of all the delegates are in fact “super” and can vote for whom they like regardless of how the people vote.
I’m pretty clear on how the system works, but thanks for being an asshole and starting off rude instead of just disagreeing with my point…since you set the tone, let me add to it for you…it’s entertaining you read the wall of text and came to exactly the wrong understanding of what I wrote…most everyone else here seemed to understand the point I was making except you…so perhaps the person with a lack of understanding is you jonp…you also must have missed most of my posts elsewhere where I describe my distaste for all thing Trump, but hey thanks for walking in half way through and educating me, I certainly could use it.
Good day to you.
“…(c)lever, determined and fearless”? Hmmm…drop the “clever” and I might almost agree with you. If you want someone who can eviscerate Hillary on a debate stage using facts, intelligence, and logic, Ted Cruz is the man for the job. If you want someone who can club Hillary over the head using bluster and invective, then the Donald is the man.
Your analogy of a battle between Hillary and Trump being one between a snake and a mongoose may well explain the mindset of some Trump voters. My own opinion is that such a battle would be more like one between a snake and another snake – each dangerous, slimy, and repulsive, albeit in different ways.
Will “The Dongoose” catch on? I don’t know. I prefer Nicki’s name for him. 😉
MrBill, having handled many snakes in my lifetime, I can tell you that none of them are slimy — UNLESS they are politicians.
And even REAL snakes would run like hell from that lot.
What a well written piece. Reading this piece filled with truths, and examples of the Clinton White House years made me smile. And the description of the coming fight between the two opponents is spot on. Clearly your best piece I have ever read.
Jon, come on man, use your head. Voting is nothing more choosing the best person among your selections. That is it. There is nothing going on in the Libertarian Party, stating you are looking into it is just childish. No candidate fits perfectly with every voter!
Thanks, RGB; you are clearly the most intelligent and discerning person reading here today.
Heh…
We’re all political geniuses now. Not very long ago, Miss South Carolina was a potential winner to some. Others thought that Rubio would be the man. Whatever. It’s opinion time and no one really likes to be reminded of how out of touch they are. It’s a new day. Trump, like Coke, is it! My Aunt Agnes he is. He is a very nasty man. I caught a clip last night and there is was, pursing his lips and spewing some nonsense. He does not have that tough-guy, NY edge, not to those of us who are well familiar with ‘the edge.’ He’s just a gasbag and, outside of the business arena, as dumb as a brick. And I will vote for him, if I must, but the country needs Cruz.
217…Agreed that Trump is a gas bag. However, I’d vote for a brick than Shillery if that were the only two choices for POTUS. A shit house brick may stink, but not by choice and personal actions. It would not threaten our way of life in this country, would be respected for its purposes served without seeking recognition, and comes without having been married to a felonious piece of shit….regardless as to how many women it serviced.
Cruz can’t win though…that’s the problem. He won’t beat Hillary in a GE…and he’ll manage to lose the Senate and the SCOTUS.
I’m not sure after the debacle that’s been going on all primary season that any republican, even Trump, can win.
You’ve got folks right here talking about they’ll never vote for Trump or never vote for Cruz….that’s a quick concession to the other side.
As much as everyone makes fun of, and belittles, the Bern-outs you know one thing they will do? Vote for Hillary before they ever cast a vote for a republican…
The discord on the republican side with all the leadership telling everyone not to vote for Trump or to do anything to keep him from reaching 1237 has quite possibly damaged the party for the 2016 election season, maybe beyond repair.
Be prepared for at least 4 years of Hillary, that way if she loses you’ll be pleasantly surprised but if she wins you’ll at least have been well-prepared.
Cruz can’t win? If you mean that he can’t win the R nomination outright, I agree. Neither can Trump, if states go as expected. But if you mean, and I’m pretty certain that you do, that Cruz cannot win the general election, how so? My admiration and support for him aside, if he wins the nomination, the game changes and we will hear an all-out Cruz dissection of Bernie Clinton or, if you prefer, Hillary Sanders.
In spite of what he says the polling doesn’t support a win in the GE for Cruz…
The polling has been wrong before of course, but an all-out dissection of Hillary by Trump or Cruz doesn’t do much to help the republicans if it’s done incorrectly.
There just aren’t enough republicans in the nation to win any elections any more…the demographics no longer favor republicans.
Independents tend to decide the general election, the people who are left out of most primaries especially those states with a closed process. Independents are also far less likely to be conservative supporters. They tend to be centrists, and republicans lately come across as all or nothing right wingers.
Cruz does nothing to dissuade the concept he’s an all or nothing right wing candidate, he was willing to shut the government down. That plays great with conservatives and right leaning voters…not so well with the people who actually decide elections.
It’s a numbers game, and the republicans no longer hold the numbers. Independents do, and they vote for centrists and depending on the economy they might be swayed slightly right of center, but typically they are center or a little left of center…the last 24 years have been pretty clear on the reality at the presidential level…We’ve had 16 years of left of center and 8 years of mostly center with G W Bush who was by no means a conservative in any real sense of the word. Neither was his dad really….
And Reagan a conservative? Maybe, sort of…but he was happy to spend his way to prosperity as well…
There’s nothing about the electorate that supports Cruz all the way to the white house. I could very well be proven wrong, and so be it…but recent history doesn’t bode well for a guy like Cruz against Hillary. I know conservatives are salivating at the match up, but the general electorate won’t be as excited about a christian evangelical with right wing views on a lot of social issues….Trump might have done better than Cruz but the nation isn’t a right of center christian voting block anymore and hasn’t been for a long time.
AC that’s just my humble $0.02 you know I tend to over analyze and leap to conclusions so maybe I’m wrong about why the recent voting patterns have gone the way they have…but I think the republicans completely misunderstood the mid-terms…it wasn’t an endorsement or mandate for Cruz and the gang it was simply a rejection of Obama. Now that the independents have seen the republicans do nothing but obstruct I suspect they’ll return to their more centrist and left of center voting habits…It will be interesting to see how it plays out.
I appreciate your viewpoint and, as you say, we’ll see. I am uncharacteristically hopeful when it comes to Cruz but I do try not to let my admiration for him taint my perception of reality.
Well said. Logical and pragmatic. The only candidate that would assuredly defeat Clinton is Kasich. But he’s not conservative enough. The GOP can’t choose a center leaning conservative (who’d easily win the general) AND also have that candidate be a far right tea party member. It’s one or the other and only one has a reasonable chance to win. That’s what happened to Romney. I’m sure that Trump, when he win the nomination, will do the same thing. He’ll slide way left to earn the independent votes.
One thing I’ve liked about this election year….since ’88 at least, when you get a “pretty-conservative-by-elected-official-standards” (Kemp, Gramm, Forbes, Thompson, that sort of candidate)….they poll about 3% and drop out early. The moderates then walk in. Jeb! spent his money on that model…and wasted it.
That Cruz is running a strong #2, and #1 gets a lot of votes from dissatisfaction with the way things have been, gives me more hope for the future than I’ve had for a while.
I don’t say that’s very much hope, because the Left still has a lock on public education and a great deal of the culture. Low standards plus indoctrination are problems that can’t be fixed at the Presidential level, or fast.
Completely agree with your analysis. At least some local areas are taking back control over things (like education). Maybe if that trend continues, something significant, and positive, CAN result.
On the whole, I agree with your analysis, especially with respect to Cruz -thankfully, from my point of view!- but I’m someone who would have supported Sanders and will probably support Trump over Clintin on the GE.
I like to believe it’s largely due to the fact that I stand on principle against dynastic politicians. It probably also has a little to do with my utter distaste for Mrs. Clinton, though.
The Republicans definitely have an uphill fight given the ‘blue’ states already bring Democrats close to 270 EV and Cruz has zero appeal. Mr. Trump, depending on how he acts when he pivots, may have a chance. Regardless of who wins, I’ll have something in common with many here – dismay and frustration.
Understand this: it doesn’t matter who ends up in the GOP section.
This is what will happen: Shrillary will bulldoze the DNC into giving her the nod, and she’ll drag the Bernout right along behind her. Count on it.
I don’t like Cruz. I think he is about as greedy and bad for this country as any of the rest of that lot.
So that leaves us with Trump who frequently says things that are taken the wrong way and has to explain himself, and also comes off as a blustering gasbag, which he is.
I think anyone here, including Poetrooper, could debate anyone of these douchebags, especially Shrillary, and win. Hell, I could make those fake eyelashes of hers fall right off her lying face, and that plastic surgery melt and run down to her ankles.
Frankly, I can’t think of a worse job than being in that snakepit in Washington, DC, and the only person who can possibly open the doors to daylight and drive some of the snakes scurrying out the doors IS TRUMP.
He’s a blowhard, and a gasbag. He’s an aggressive SOB and a bully.
I think that right now, WE NEED HIM.
So that leaves us with Trump who frequently says things that are taken the wrong way and has to explain himself, and also comes off as a blustering gasbag, which he is.
Except he doesn’t say thing the wrong way and doesn’t say things he has to explain. He says what he thinks which is no thinking at all.
Trump has flip flopped on most major issues and most minor issues as well. He is the ultimate panderer and people are believing him because of…….
Ummmmm….
Oh yeah, because he says what they want to hear.
I’ll take the guy who has argued for the rights of people in front of the Supreme Court (Cruz) rather than the guy who has no respect for the rights of anyone other than himself. (Trump.)
Well, Rikki’s most famous victory was against his opponent’s wife and that’s who the Donald prefers to attack as well so maybe the analogy isn’t all that strained.
Analogy strained??? Moi???
Heh…
I was dreaming when I wrote that, so sue me if it went astray,
But when I woke up this morning I could’ve sworn it was judgement day
Sorry-had to get that in somehow today-RIP Prince, I hope you’re partying like it’s you know when.
Still sticking with my prediction.
AFTER Hildebeast locks up the majority of the delegates, she will be indicted.
Joe Biden will be the ‘white knight’ at the Democrat convention. With Elizabeth Warren as his VP to buy off the Sandernistas.
Trump bullies his way into the Republican nomination.
And a progressive wet dream occurs as the Democrats win the presidency, take back the Senate and get to place 3-4 flaming liberals on the Supreme Court.
Buy as many evil assault rifles and ammo as you can before now and Jan 20, 2017.
But The Dong-oose will keep “telling it like it is” so we’ve got that going for us
My dream ticket is still Trump/Cruz. Neither one of them fulfills all my requirements in a prez, but then no candidate ever has. It’s always a vote for the one who comes closest to representing my values, views, priorities and displays the ability to adapt to changing needs of the country. Nobody is perfect at all of those.
Trump got my attention when he focused on the need for border security. Will he follow through on that? We don’t know. We do know that neither Dem hopeful will. So, I’d rather take my chances with him.
I am not a single issue voter. Until now. Without secure borders, no other issue matters. We have invited in disease, crime, and a plethora of other problems.
I have decided on my litmus test for this election. The first candidate who talks about, and outlines plans on, our aging infrastructure, the giant plastic garbage island in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, or release of the Area 51 files, will be the one to get my vote. You know — something that ACTUALLY NEEDS TO BE WORKED ON. It’s too much to hope that they would actually address foreign aid, or why we still have troops in the ME, so I developed this alternate list.
I’d put the sarc tag here normally, but right now, I’m not sure I’m being sarcastic.
This election will be business as usual for our household. Meaning, there’s NO WAY we would not vote just because we don’t personally care for either of the candidates. “As Usual” means voting for the lesser of two evils. Can’t say there will honestly be TWO evils….but I can damned sure say there will be one for certain. And SHE makes the devil look like a former nun who became a social worker.
or a ACORN Activists
🙂
Here’s another 0bamunism “Success Story’, I wonder how much the MSM will try to whitewash it? It seems like it could be another salvo to be used against whoever runs on the “D” ticket:
CRAP, forgot to paste it, here it is:
http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2016/04/21/Get-Ready-Huge-Obamacare-Premium-Hikes-2017
Trump is a lot of things but conservative he is not.
Pro Abortion
Pro Tranny Rest Room
Pro LGBT “rights” including marriage
Pro Amnesty (yeah, listen to his recent comments, its amnesty guys and gals)
Pro Higher Taxes
Pro Planned Parenthood
Pro Lobbyists (yup, just highered one as his campaign manager who just happens to be the business partner of Kasich’s lobbyist campaign manager. Gee wonder why kasich is still in the race when he can’t win)
The highest negatives in recent history and passed by only one other, David Duke.
Loses to Hillary in every head to head by at least 10pts
Scared to debate one on one with Cruz even after declaring he wanted a one on one fight
Whining after Colorado like a Nancy about how unfair it was but when he won less than half the votes in FL but took 100% of the delegates that’s ok
Trumpers = Suckers YOUR BEING HAD BUT KEEP SHOUTING TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP RIGHT TO ANOTHER PRESIDENT CLINTON.
You missed that Trump is anti First Amendment and has flip flopped on the Second Amendment like a mackerel out of water.
He was also against, then for, then against H1B visas and even denied what his own website said on the issue,
Trump will say what people want to hear to get their vote. For him, it is all about Trump,and not about the country.
BTW – don’t you just love his plan for paying for the wall? Trump wants the Federal government to increase intrusion into the private financial transactions of people – even legal immigrants and citizens.
Most conservatives are against government intrusions. Trump wants to increase them.
He has done what you have said. I didn’t add it because in the 2cd’s case, I assumed the majority on this site know this already. Or maybe not.
“I have been told that Politics is the World’s second oldest profession. I have also noticed many times that it bears an striking resemblance to the first.” – Ronald Reagan
Politics are like Farmers? 😉
“Call for Mr. Sarc, Call for Mr. Sarc….Bound to be others just wondering where your limit exists. When it comes to Shillery, I’m going to guess you are a “No Way In Hell!”
Furthermore, you with the dip stick ready for all engines, it would not surprise me to hear you say, “I’d rather get in the middle of a circle jerk with a bunch of juvenile Charles Mansion followers.”
Anyone giving odds on the issue?