Category: Navy

  • Blue Water Navy & Agent Orange

    Blue Water Navy & Agent Orange

    I have this deep and inherent distrust of the government, the way I feel that way is more simplistic than most people would think. The government is made up of people, people by nature are shady as f**k. That is until they know they are being watched and there will be accountability.

    I prefaced what I really want to talk about what with the above statement because it needed to be said and this topic is somewhat controversial. I and many other who post here have always said that Jonn does not censor us. Believe me it’s the truth.  I sometime call or email him with an idea that I want to write about, several weeks ago I told him I had an idea and he asked me to hold off. I did. To tell you the truth I had forgotten about it until the other day when out of the blue Jonn told me to go ahead and publish.  This post is not directed at any one individual nor any group.  Bernath will swear this is aimed at him. It’s not, but if the shoe fits…

    Agent Orange, we all know the name and what it was for, however just in case someone has been living under a rock for the last 40 years I will give a brief explanation.  Agent Orange was one of many defoliants used in the jungles and river regions of Vietnam.  It is now know to be a carcinogen.  For many years the government denied any link between Agent Orange and cancer and other illnesses in Vietnam Vets. Study after study proved that link exist, as a result the VA now assumes a connection between these diseases and most Vietnam Vets.

    Notice I said most Vietnam Vets. There is one major subgroup of Vietnam Vets that do not get an automatic assumption of connection, Blue Water Navy.  Service members in this group must prove a connection on a case by case basis.  The Navy painstakingly compiled a list of all Ships that were exposed to Agent Orange in any way. That list includes ships that were in port or anchored for even part of a day.  Service members on those ships are not included in the Blue water Navy Group.

    The Navy did not transport Agent Orange on carriers or any other ship. With the exception of the Riverine patrol they played no part in its use. Agent Orange was applied by specially modified aircraft flying at low level.  I read many boring studies researching this. I also spoke with a Meteorologist as well a Chemical engineer. The one thing that I found to be very interesting is this. Wind Patterns.  Spraying occurred only at times when the weather would permit greater than 80 percent of the Agent to reach the ground in the target area.  The Coastal regions of Vietnam have a predominate on shore wind pattern. That is the wind comes from the ocean most of the time.  This makes the chances of Blue Water Navy exposer due to drift of overspray almost impossible. There is also the fact that the types of cancer and other illness that are occurring among the ground troops are not occurring in an increased rate among the Blue Water Vets.

    Are there Blue Water Vets that were exposed? Absolutely, but not in large numbers.  Many of the complaints that the Blue Water Group have can be linked to other causes. Ships have many different chemicals and toxins on them.  Not all illness in vets is connected to their service. We have become a culture that looks to the government for everything possible. Many Vets abuse the system. We hear about people dying while waiting on an appointment because the system is overwhelmed.  We as the veteran community bear some of the responsibility.

    If your illness of disability is linked to your service then I urge you to use the VA, that’s what it’s there for. But if it’s not, then you are taking away from your Brother’s and sister’s.  When we have VA disability claims for PMS or PTSD because you thought you might have to do what you got paid to do then we have a problem.

    Happy Holidays, Merry Christmas and I bid you peace. I am heading to the TAH bunker at my place in western WV until the insanity is over, Oy Vey

  • US Navy’s 240th birthday

    US Navy’s 240th birthday

    Mabus Navy

    Today marks the 240th birthday of the US Navy when the Continental Congress decided it needed a force to protect the harbors and defend the coasts of the new nation on October 13th, 1775. The first warships were built at Whitehall, New York on October 11th, 1776 under the direction of Benedict Arnold for an assault up Lake Champlain. Arnold built 16 ships and confronted the British at Valcour Island, New York where he delayed the British long enough that they abandoned their plans to invade the colonies from Canada for a year.

    The Navy was disbanded after the Revolution, relying on the Revenue Cutter Service (the Coast Guard) for damper security but the Navy was reestablished in 1794 in response to the Barbary pirates, half a world away.

  • Navy teaching members to combat “male privilege”

    From the “you can’t make this stuff up” dept.

    “The United States Navy’s Bureau of Medicine and Surgery has issued a warning about “male privilege” and is teaching ways to combat it.”

    Feel free to talk amongst yourselves.

    Old Trooper out.

  • Commander; SEALs ready to accept women

    Commander; SEALs ready to accept women

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    According to the Christian Science Monitor, from an Associated Press story, Rear Admiral Brian Losey, the commander of the Navy’s special warfare units, says that accepting women into the ranks of SEALs is “the right thing to do”. I agree completely as long as the standard remains the same for everyone. It doesn’t make sense to eliminate a segment of the population that is completely qualified and fit enough based on their reproductive organs.

    Rear Admiral Losey’s latest announcement isn’t without caveats. He says explicitly that women among the commando ranks will not increase the units’ ability in combat. The gender integration of the unit will go as far as diverting “focus and energy away from core combat readiness and effectiveness efforts,” he writes.

    Another concern expressed is over adverse effects the vigorous physical demands of combat could have on women’s health.

    I do, however, have to wonder why, in the days of shrinking budgets and a active duty and veteran healthcare system that is rupturing at it’s seams, we’re jamming this round peg into a square hole. You know, during a war.

    I think the only thing that could make the social justice warriors cheer now, is the first woman killed during her special forces assignment.

  • Mabus doubles down on The Dumb

    Mabus doubles down on The Dumb

    Chief Tango sends us a link to a Washington Post opinion piece written by Ray Mabus, the Navy Secretary, who attempts to explain why he threw under the bus the Marines who took part in the experiment to integrate Women Marines into combat arms jobs.

    During the study, however, the Marine Corps did not rely on the data for, or evaluate the performance of, individual female Marines; instead, it used only averages. Averages have no relevance to the abilities and performance of individual Marines.

    […]

    The use of averages to disqualify every woman from ground combat positions in the Marine Corps — even one who meets the standards — does not meet the clear goals set by Panetta and Dempsey.

    Yeah, well, Panetta and Dempsey aren’t in charge anymore, don’t use them as a scapegoat for your own political decisions, Ray. What the Marines said was that the performance of women during the experiment doesn’t justify the expense of training women to do a job that they can’t do – sure there are women who can do the job, but considering the rate at which others fail and sustain injuries, why is Mabus, in these days of budget belt-tightening, so willing to throw away training dollars on a program that only has a political upside, one that doesn’t improve the force and it’s primary mission?

    As the nature of warfare becomes more dynamic and unpredictable, we need to be the strongest force possible, and diversity is one of our greatest strengths. When we talk about diversity, we mean the full spectrum of demographics, but even more important, we mean diversity of thinking.

    Diversity is political-speak for shoving a square peg into a round hole.

    The few, the proud, the Marines have never been about being average; this issue is about setting high standards to keep Marines exceptional.

    So, Mabus thinks that by lowering combat standards, it’s actually raising the standards. Orwellian is the only adjective I can think of while reading this entire piece.

  • Mabus draws ire of Marines in experiment

    Mabus draws ire of Marines in experiment

    The other day, we talked about Secretary of the Navy Ray Mabus and his mistrust of the results of the Marine Corps’ mixed-gender units. In a link sent to us by Bobo and Marine_7002, the Washington Post talked to some of the Marines who feel that the Navy Secretary threw them all under the bus.

    “Our secretary of the Navy completely rolled the Marine Corps and the entire staff that was involved in putting this [experiment] in place under the bus,” said Sgt. Danielle Beck, a female anti-armor gunner with the task force.

    […]

    Sgt. Joe Frommling, one of the Marines who acted as one of Beck’s monitors for the experiment, said he was frustrated with the secretary’s comments.

    “What Mabus said went completely against what the command was saying the whole time,” said Frommling. “They said, ‘Hey no matter what your opinion is, go out there and give it your best and let the chips fall where they may.’”

    I’m sure they gave it their best shot. They all volunteered for the nine-month experiment, so I have to think that they were serious about it. Mabus dismissing the experiment out-of-hand is about the worst display of leadership that I’ve ever seen. In fact, the Marines have gone out of their way from the very beginning of this grand experiment to provide the service chiefs with the best information available.

    I’ve always been of the opinion that Mabus was out of his depth in that job, and this only proves it. Those women in the Heavy Weapons Company busted their asses lugging those systems around for the Secretary, and he, with a wave of his hand negated all of that work, just so he could kneel at the altar of social justice.

    Perhaps worse is when he said that the Marines involved in the training “presupposed” the outcome, while he, himself, was doing the same thing. Mabus should step down and get out of the way of his Marines as they prepare for the next war.

  • Mabus: Marines’ mixed-gendered experiment was biased

    Mabus: Marines’ mixed-gendered experiment was biased

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    According to The Hill, the Navy Secretary, Ray Mabus, disputes the findings of the Marine Corps’ 9-month study involving mixed-gender units. He thinks that the study is biased for political reasons;

    “They started out with a fairly largely component of the men thinking this is not a good idea, and women will not be able to do this,” he said in an interview with NPR.

    “When you start out with that mindset, you’re almost presupposing the outcome,” he said.

    […]

    Mabus said some of the report’s conclusions were based on generalizations and not the women’s performance.

    “Part of the study said women tend not to be able to carry as heavy a load for as long, but there were women who went through the study who could,” he said.

    “And part of the study said we’re afraid because women get injured more frequently that over time, women will break down more, that you’ll begin to lose your combat effectiveness over time.

    “That was not shown in the study, that was an extrapolation based on injury rates,” he said.

    I guess that he gets his talking points from Ellen Haring. The fact remains that the women volunteered for the study which means that they wanted it to succeed. Some of the women had initial training, some of them had no training, you know just like some of the guys that I’d get in my unit. They all volunteered, they all wanted to succeed, like the ladies.

    Basically, Mabus is vocalizing that which we’ve always known about this administration’s civilian leadership of the military – they don’t trust the services to give them good advice. Mabus, himself, presupposed the outcome of this study and he’s resistant to information to the contrary and he’s willing to throw his flag officers under the bus because they tell him that his preconceived notions are wrong.

    Mabus and Haring and the rest of the social engineers don’t care that their plans will kill male and female Marines – they just care that they’ve given up those Marines for sacrifice on the alter of their religion.

  • Women to be allowed into SEAL units

    Women to be allowed into SEAL units

    Now, with the news that two women will graduate the Army’s Ranger School even though they won’t be able to serve in Ranger units, the Navy says that they won’t be outdone. They’ll not only include women in the training, but, if the graduate the selection program and training, women will be assigned to the SEAL teams, according to CNN;

    “Why shouldn’t anybody who can meet these (standards) be accepted? And the answer is, there is no reason,” Adm. Jon Greenert told the publication. “So we’re on a track to say, ‘Hey look, anybody who can meet the gender non-specific standards, then you can become a SEAL.’”

    If women can pass the unit’s demanding training requirements, Greenert said, they will be allowed into the elite force. Officials did not reveal to Defense News when they plan to allow women to compete for a spot.

    I agree, if a women can successfully endure the grueling training, they can certainly qualify for an assignment to the units. However, as with the Army’s training, there shouldn’t be any accommodations made in regards to the standards. The standard is the most important thing here, not the social engineering.