Category: Iraq Veterans Against the War

  • Jamail leaps to Rapper’s defense

    Dahr Jamail the pusillanimous little turd from Truthout who regularly calls the troops cowards and retards has leapt to the defense of Marc Hall in his latest excretion. Of course, true to form, Jamail neglects to mention that Hall threatened in his ditty to lock and load “30 rounds” on all of the “E-7s and above” in his chain of command.

    Hall, (aka hip hop artist Marc Watercus), who is in the Army’s 3rd Infantry Division, was placed in Liberty County Jail for the song (click here to listen to “Stop-Loss,” by Marc Watercus), in which he angrily denounces the continuing policy that has barred him from exiting the military.

    Military service members do not completely give up their rights to free speech, particularly not when they are doing so artistically while off duty, as was the case with Hall.

    What does freedom of speech have to do with communicating a threat? Artistically or otherwise. Jamail shows his biased ass by making that editorial comment in the middle of his article.

    Jim Klimanski, a civilian military lawyer, member of the National Lawyers Guild and the Military Law Task Force, who is closely following Hall’s case, told Truthout that he feels the military is overreacting to the case, and that it is simply a matter of free speech and that the Army’s actions violate his First Amendment right to free speech.

    “It’s a political case, and the military should know that,” Klimanski explained, “I think they are overreaching and overreacting because of Maj. Hassan (who went on a shooting spree at Fort Hood on November 5), and I can understand that to some degree, but cooler heads should prevail and they should deal with stop-loss, and maybe we’ll get the case thrown out. One would hope that common sense would prevail.”

    Hall is opposed to the occupation of Iraq, and had told his commander he would not deploy if ordered. His unit deployed to Iraq without him in mid-December, but this is not why Hall is in jail, as he was jailed before his unit was sent to Iraq.

    A political case? How? There are no politics in the military’s decision to deploy soldiers into combat.

    Oh, and to answer someone’s question from yesterday, it appears that Klimanski is a fellow traveler of fat little cry baby James Branum with his membership in the NLG and Military Law Task Force – Branum is a co-chair of MLTF.

    Surely,the fact that Hall threatened to kill his chain of command and then mailed the CD to the Pentagon shows some measure of intent to do bodily harm.

    But, if you’re worried about Hall, don’t. It seems that Jason Hurd is rushing to his defense as well. Hurd testified at Winter Soldier that he ALMOST shot an Iraqi woman…but then he didn’t. How atrocious, huh? And then he weeped at the thought.

    Jason Hurd, an Iraq war veteran who has been assisting Marc Hall, told Truthout that he believes the military is overreacting to Hall’s song due to the November 5 shooting at Fort Hood.

    “It really frustrates me that they [military] are reacting in such an excessive way,” Hurd, a member of Iraq Veteran’s Against the War, told Truthout, “When you are talking about communicating a threat, a threat has to be at something or someone. If you listen to Marc’s song, he’s not saying he wants to kill someone in his chain of command, he makes broad artistic expressions of anger….”

    Excessive? Really? Let’s look at those lyrics again;

    “[Expletive] you colonels, captains, E-7 and above
    You think you so much bigger than I am? …
    I’m gonna round them up all eventually, easily, walk right up peacefully
    And surprise them all, yes, yes, y’all, up against the wall, turn around
    I got a [expletive] magazine with 30 rounds, on a three-round burst, ready to fire down
    Still against the wall, I grab my M-4, spray and watch all the bodies hit the floor
    I bet you never stop-loss nobody no more.”

    Nah, I can’t see where he threatens to kill anyone in his chain of command – well if I close the browser, I can’t see it.

    “From a military that has us, while we’re jogging, chant in cadence about killing babies, to then come down on someone for writing an angry song, is ludicrous,” Hurd added, “Marc is just expressing the anger that 13,000 soldiers are feeling right now, because there are currently that many who are stop-lossed. All he did was make his opinion heard.”

    Yup – cadence and threatening to kill your chain of command and MAILING THEM THE CD – same thing. How many of those 13,000 soldiers threatened their chain of command? I’m guessing – ONE.

    Klimanski said that by nature, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan will not end, and Hall’s song expresses concern over the possibility of his never being discharged from the military.

    “He’s over there saying I have no control over my life. I could be in here forever. We’re not talking about a war that is going to be over next year. We’re talking about a war that could go on forever. So poor old Marc Hall could possibility be in the military forever. Once enlistment starts dropping, the Army maintains troop levels by keeping the ones they have.

    Seein’s how you’ve never been in the military, Klimanski, let me tell you what saves soldiers’ lives; experience. I’ll question the Army’s wisdom to consider this bonehead’s experience valuable, but they must’ve had a reason. There are folks being rejected for military service EVERY DAY – they don’t have a retention problem.

    Besides, Hall signed on for eight years. We had a guy return from an overseas assignment the day before we got called up for Desert Storm – they put his ass on the next plane back and he went to Iraq with us with a minimum of bitching. He understood the eight year thing – why can’t you wrap your noggin around it. Ever take contract law?

    “It’s a song, and he puts it out to the public,” Klimanski told Truthout, “We’re not talking about a Major Hassan who is quietly plotting violence … this is political hyperbole. This is his rant on stop-loss. It’s political speech.”

    You’re spouting legal hyperbole, Klimanski.

    Hall, according to his profile on AKO, is a 91-series mechanic from Echo Co. 703rd FSB attached to an infantry company.

  • Don’t worry about Marc Hall, Pt. II

    A local DC TV station, WJLA, did a report on Marc Hall, the latest IVAW celebrity who was stop-lossed and threatened to kill all of the “E-7s and and above”. Here’s the video which includes his bonehead lawyer, James Klimaski, defending Hall’s threat as art;

    I guess it’s just his tough luck that he wrote violent lyrics, sent the CD to the Pentagon and his local leadership and it all happened just after a Fort Hood soldier slaughtered his fellow soldiers. Too bad, Marc, just a matter of timing, I guess.

    Thanks to Jerry920 for the link.

  • Nah, don’t worry about Marc Hall

    Last month I wrote about newly-minted IVAW member Marc Hall who was “stop lossed” in the Age of Obama at Fort Stewart, GA so retaliated by writing a violent rap song – which in turn got him tossed in the hoosegow by the Army. The Stars and Stripes reprints the violent verses;

    “[Expletive] you colonels, captains, E-7 and above
    You think you so much bigger than I am? …
    I’m gonna round them up all eventually, easily, walk right up peacefully
    And surprise them all, yes, yes, y’all, up against the wall, turn around
    I got a [expletive] magazine with 30 rounds, on a three-round burst, ready to fire down
    Still against the wall, I grab my M-4, spray and watch all the bodies hit the floor
    I bet you never stop-loss nobody no more.”

    Pretty explicit about his intentions. The Army explains why they locked him up;

    “The chain of command has a legal obligation to the citizens of the United States to investigate and deal fairly with SPC Hall’s alleged misconduct,” Kevin Larson, a spokesman at Fort Stewart, said in an e-mail. “Anything less would be irresponsible to our citizens and soldiers.”

    Of course they have a legal obligation to protect soldiers and their families from crack pots. But Hall’s lawyer, James Klimaski, doesn’t see it that way;

    Hall’s song is just a song and should not be taken literally, the lawyer said.

    “Listen to rap songs,” Klimaski said. “I mean there are a whole bunch of rap songs talking about killing people all the time. Nobody gets killed from them.”

    Klimaski also downplayed the allegations that Hall made additional threats.

    “The problem with threats is they can’t be contingent,” he said. “ ‘I will do this if …’ Well that’s not a threat because if ‘if’ doesn’t happen, then there’s no threat. Like, let’s say, ‘I’m going to shoot the battalion commander if I’m deployed.’ Well he’s not been deployed, so he’s not going to shoot the battalion commander, so there’s no threat.”

    Klimaski also said the definition of rampage means to run around like a crazy person. “That’s not a threat,” he said.

    Yeah, all you hep cats get with it – rap is cool. It’s just art and no one ever gets killed because of it. Well, except all of those rappers and people who attend rap concerts and rap promoters. And Hall won’t shoot his battalion commander if the commander doesn’t send him Afghanistan – problem solved. Of course, that wouldn’t have any long term effect on the military, will it?

    “Maj. Hasan didn’t run around and say, ‘Hey, I’m going to blow people away at the hospital, or the infirmary today.’ Or the bomber going into Detroit says, ‘Oh, I should tell everyone I’m on this plane and blow the plane up,’” he said.

    So people who make wild-assed statements can now be ignored and we start worrying about people who DON’T communicate threats. That sounds feasible.

    I thought about making a threat here on the life of James Klimaski, but then I realized, he might not think of threats against his life the same way he thinks about threats against the lives of military people.

    But then again, if I make a threat against his life, that would make me less likely to actually do anything against him…this is all so confusing. We should hire James Branum to take Klimaski to court and make Klimaski give us all classes on how not to be perceived as a threat to other people.

  • Moonbat math

    Sporkmaster sent me this article from the Leftist Op/ED News which demonstrates to me that the Left has a reading comprehension problem. Look at these statistics they post;

    Total U.S. Military Gulf War Deaths: 73,846
    – Deaths amongst Deployed: 17,847
    – Deaths amongst Non-Deployed: 55,999

    Total “Undiagnosed Illness” (UDX) claims: 14,874
    Total number of disability claims filed: 1,620,906
    – Disability Claims amongst Deployed: 407,911
    – Disability Claims amongst Non-Deployed: 1,212,995

    Percentage of combat troops that filed Disability Claims 36%

    Now, according to the article, this proves that military is hiding servicemembers’ deaths. Their claim is that 77,000 US service members died DURING the current war in the Gulf region. And the author’s source for the statistics is strangely missing.

    So what’s his point?

    More than 1,820 tons of radio active nuclear waste uranium were exploded into Iraq alone in the form of armor piercing rounds and bunker busters, representing the worlds worst man made ecological disaster ever.

    Yes, we’ve heard it before at Winter Soldier from mega-moron Matt Howard who claimed that we’re disposing of our nuclear waste by firing it off in two pound chunks as DU-tipped tank rounds. How big of a moron do you have to be to believe some stupid shit like that?

    Actually, it’s the reason that New Mexico Congressional candidate Adam Kokesh was storing his urine the refrigerator at the DC IVAW House – he thought he was poisoned by DU-tipped darts. Turns out he wasn’t, though.

    It seems to me that someone might’ve noticed 77,000 dead soldiers.

  • Michael Prysner; true communist hero

    If you google his name, you’ll find hundreds of websites that call Mike Prysner a “true war hero“. Why? Well, because he opposes the war against terror, of course. The Left likes to see buffoons who wear their uniform at their protests. Prysner is more than willing to fill the boots for them. But, Prysner has other aspirations, too.

    See, he’s already tried to use his anti-war and veteran credentials to run for political office in Florida in the “Party for Socialism and Liberation”.

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    He’s already joined and then left the IVAW because they weren’t radical enough for him. He co-formed March Forward, a veteran contingent of the Maoist ANSWER. Here’s a slickerized version of his testimony at Winter Soldier that he’s been sending out to the Leftists around the internet;
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  • They can’t end the war, so they’ll end troops’ futures

    Does this sound like the military you guys served in;

    It’s a place where drug abuse is rampant, suicide is common, and mental health is severely placed at risk. One in three women stands a chance of being raped — as do one in four men — and the violence directed toward each other undercuts the real fight against the enemy.

    Not mine. But that’s what’s being described by “IV”AW members Cherish Summer Ray Hodge and Brigitte Wooten to their local media in Ventura County, CA.

    What sounds like a prison environment in theory was a near reality for people like Cherish Hodge or Brigitte Wooten, members of a local peace group formed by recent veterans of the Iraq Conflict.

    Their search for new members willing to come forward and join the Iraq Veterans Against the War (IVAW) punctuates the proud military sentiment set forth this season, after the passing of Veterans Day, with a sharp caveat: awareness of the injustices and dissent within the ranks of the U.S. armed forces’ own soldiers.

    “It’s different for us to be in an environment where there’s so much racism and bigotry and homophobia,” says Hodge, 26, president of the IVAW Ventura branch. “The military is a melting pot of all of those things. Suddenly, you’re exposed to that.”

    Of course, both of them have never been to Iraq or Afghanistan, that’s a membership requirement now, apparently. So they’re not speaking of the war, although they’d like to think they are. Here’s Cherish Blah Blah Blah’s profile from IVAW;

    cherish-summer-ray-hodges-ivaw-profile

    Brigitte doesn’t have a profile on IVAW, but in the article she describes her military service;

    Wooten was discharged from the Navy one year ago this month after a five-year stint in the Navy that sent her to Kuwait for about eight months. Having served as a hospital corpsman, she, too, was witness firsthand to blatant drug and alcohol abuse, which, among other soldiers, led to medical problems from drunken brawls, near overdoses and attempted suicides.

    “I went in knowing I would be seeing some things. I didn’t think I would have seen as many rampant things,” Wooten said. “When you go to boot camp, you’re taught to look up to your officers and enlisted; you expect a certain amount of professionalism and a family-type bond. But you don’t see that very often.”

    Someone buy Wooten a dictionary, or tell her what “rampant” means.

    And, of course, they have Dahr Jamail and his useless contribution to bolster their yammering;

    Jamail recounted stories about women GIs stationed in the Middle East, so afraid to use latrines after dark, for fear of being jumped and assaulted by their fellow male soldiers, that some died of dehydration.

    Yeah, that story came from Col. Janis Karpinski and her useless testimony to the Commission of Inquiry for Crimes against Humanity Committed by the Bush Administration which has been thoroughly discredited for nearly four years by Greyhawk and Soldier’s Dad.

    “A lot of veterans, the last thing they want is to get back into these problems,” [Cher-blah-Summer-blah-blah] said. “Just because there [aren’t] a lot of outspoken veterans, doesn’t mean we aren’t here.”

    Or, maybe, you just like wearing a shirt that says “Iraq Veterans” on it. The lie that IVAW has 1700 active members is false – with all of the resignations, has anyone seen the number fall even a hair? What was it 79 members who showed up at Silver Spring? 1621 were busy that weekend? Only had enough money to provide Carl Webb with free transportation?

    Out of the hundreds of thousands of men and women who’ve served, IVAW can scare up 79 for their annual convention. Well, 78 and Carl Webb – as long as IVAW pays.

  • Phony soldiers begging in NYC?

    Now, I don’t have any real proof that this guy is a phony soldier, but his story is a bit unbelievable.

    The first thing I noticed was his teeth – those teeth took years to get in that kind of shape and they would make him non-deployable. He claims he returned from Iraq last year after a nineteen month tour. You guys would probably know better than me whether any units did nineteen months in Iraq from 2006 to 2008, but that seems like an awful long tour. I’ve heard of fifteen month deployments, but none that were 19 months.

    He also claims he’d been wounded and underwent “lung surgery” which makes him unemployable. If he was wounded that severely, he would have been medically retired, not put out on the streets.

    Yeah, he hung an honorable discharge certificate around his neck – it costs $29.95 at this online retailer. I went through the entire ordering process, and at no point was I asked for proof of my service – needless to say, I bought a discharge certificate that now makes me eligible to join IVAW.
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  • Two stories of GI Resistance

    The IVAW is running an article on their website about two brave GI Resisters. Here’s the screen shot about Ryan Jackson and Marc Hall;

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    We’re already familiar with Ryan Jackson, since he spent a lot of my bandwidth trying to rehabilitate his image on another post a week or so ago. Basically, Jackson got popped on a urinalysis test and then went AWOL and James Branum got him locked up. Of course, Ryan’s story is that he became a peace activist and pissed hot on purpose, however the sequence of the events leading up to his trial aren’t in his favor.

    Now, Marc Hall, on the other hand, is new to us. Just judging by what the folks at IVAW wrote on this little story, he doesn’t have a leg to stand on. He’d done a tour of Iraq with the 3rd ID, came back, was getting ready to ETS and they stop-lossed him. I’ll admit that sucks and he has a right to be angry, but he didn’t stop there.

    Hall claims he is a musician and song writer, but that’s all a matter of taste. When he got stop-lossed, he wrote a song called “Stop Loss” (figures, right?). Now he claims it’s his 1st Amendment right to write whatever he wants – but his unit put him in jail for his little ditty. Why? I listened to his song, even though I’m not a big rap fan, and in it, he sings (is that the right word?) that he’s going to lock and load a thirty-round magazine and kill all of the E-7s and above – less than a month after another soldier shot scores of his fellow soldiers at Fort Hood. Can you really blame his chain of command for locking him up for Hall’s and the Army’s protection?

    Well, all of the usual suspects are calling for Hall’s immediate release. Seriously. The IVAW, Courage to Resist and Labor Against the War all posted the phone number to “the jail” so the hippies can all feel good about themselves by calling Hall’s jailers and demanding his release (yeah, that’ll work overnight). They also posted his company commander’s name and his unit address (although according to AKO, Hall is assigned to a Forward Support Battalion and the address they posted is to an infantry company).

    I guess the Army can’t do anything right as far as the IVAW and their cohorts are concerned. Too bad Branum isn’t defending Hall.