A federal judge in Chicago has ruled that the US law against female genital mutilation is unconstitutional, dismissing charges against eight people, including two doctors.
District Judge Bernard Friedman said “Congress overstepped its bounds” by outlawing the practice known as female circumcision, or cutting.
Friedman said it was up to states rather than Congress to regulate the practice.
The ruling dismissed mutilation and conspiracy charges against Dr. Jumana Nagarwala, who performed the surgery, and Dr. Fakhruddin Attar.
The doctors were charged in the genital mutilation of nine girls at a suburban Detroit clinic.
In addition, the same charges were dismissed against Attar’s wife, Farida, and Tahera Shafiq, who assisted in the procedure, as well as four women who took their daughters to the clinic.
Most religious people I know are fairly normal despite their disability. (/sarc) However, some people take their religious ideas a bit too far. I don’t really care if someone thinks they can dance with snakes, they are only going to hurt themselves. If a group of people thinks they are made genetically superior to everyone else by an invisible sky daddy, I don’t really care what kind of “ish” they call themselves.
I take parental rights very seriously and believe the Federal, State, and local government tends to tread upon those rights all too often. When women take their own daughters to have their clitoris cut out … I believe they are NOT mentally competent. They have shown that they are non compos mentis. I defend the right of my fellow citizen to worship as they choose…to a point. Mutilating little girls is just a wee bit beyond that point.
Islam is a disease of the mind.
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38 responses to “Ban on female genital mutilation ruled unconstitutional”
How about they mutilate the good Judges daughter and then see how he feels about it? These animals are below the human species, what gives them the right to ruin their daughters for the rest of their lives? How about we cut your dick off with a very rusty blade and see what you think then? Hang a cinder block on each of your nuts then do a forced 20 mile hike with full pack, and yes, you will have to do double time the whole way!
Phuck all of you rag head goat fuckers!
^this^ What WW and Dave said. I,too, believe in the freedom of religion thing, many of the colonies were started by folks seeking protection from religious persecution, or the desire to worship as they saw fit. That being said, the mutilation of children for “religious purposes” is just wrong in so many ways. And these are the people that the world is falling all over their selves to let in? All of these #metwos should be up in arms, marching to protest this, instead of trumping up charges against what may and/or may not of happened whenever. Just another example of the Moooslem idiocy that is being allowed in the name of diversity. GMAFB
The practice, religious or otherwise, was not a factor in the judge’s decision. It simply wasn’t. We can discuss the sick practice, but we ought not to mistake what the judge decided and why as any endorsement of female mutilation.
Yeah I agree with that A/C, saddest thing is why we are even having this conversation. Sick perverted bastards. I get all squiggley when I hear or read about what I consider child abuse. A coupla swats on the butt as an attention getter is one thing; this is just, again, wrong in so many ways. Saw a thing on the tube awhile back, where in Africa, they were using a sharpened piece of glass to perform this “religious ceremony”.
YOU got it right….I have a dull knife to contribute!!
It’s important to note that the judge did not rule that FGM is just fine and dandy; he ruled that this particular statute is beyond Congress’ constitutional authority. Some legal experts have opined that Congress could draft a statute that would pass constitutional muster; and states are still free to ban the practice. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/21/health/fgm-female-genital-mutilation-law.html
Also, this is just one US District Judge’s opinion; it still could be appealed and overturned.
They do not mention any mental health treatment for the parents of these young ladies.
There needs to be some kind of treatment modality for this kind of thing.
Maybe Munchausen by proxy?
I looked in the DSM, Islam is not listed. That need to be changed.
I agree it should be listed, but along with the “progressivism” of the D-rat crypto-commie variety. Because it is also a system of irrational, disordered thinking.
“I looked in the DSM, Islam is not listed.”
297.1 Delusional Disorder:Grandiose Type works for me. 🙂
I’m with you on this. The judge, a former Army JAG and civilian prosecutor, was not ruling on the facts of the case, which he found abhorrent, as any decent human being would. His ruling went to the legal point that Congress lacked the authority to criminalize the despicable practice under the Constitution. Michigan has a state law outlawing the practice and the now-former defendant can be prosecuted under it w/o dble jeopardy concerns. I find it refreshing that a judge would not cave to applying the IC clause that the Federal prosecutor argued should be applied in order to secure the blessing of the Constitution. It’s about time the anything-goes-because-somewhere-somehow- some-way approach to the Interstate Commerce Clause was checked.
Correction. Dr. Mutilation remains a defendant. She faces other charges to be tried next April.
Actually, 2/17, these muslims can’t be prosecuted under Michigan’s FGM statute, as the statute was passed and signed by the governor after this atrocity came to light.
Ah. Thanks for that. Ex post facto.
As MrBill said, this is actually a pyrrhic victory for state’s rights. The judge’s argument is that, even though they travelled across state lines to commit this horrible offense, it doesn’t rise to the level of “interstate commerce” because it’s (thankfully) such a small industry.
That states didn’t have statutes prohibiting this shows just how unthinkably barbaric the practice is.
And yet, growing and eating your own tomatoes is interstate commerce because you did not buy them from out of state, per SCOTUS during the Great Depression
Had to be a stinking obozo appointed judge!! imo
This is where “adults only” runs smack into millennia of religious practice, and a great-big red-flag area where Government wants to get involved.
If folks want to get a trim, barber or doc, up to them.
At 18, same as tattoos.
Not cool to make alterations, permanent ones, on minors.
But now we have the whole “medically necessary” subset. “For their mental health” can often mean, “because mommy and daddy want to make the decision before junior goes another route”.
Per constitution, I am happy to leave this to the states. The federal government will only abuse any ground given here. There is a schmuck often lambasted on this forum who would cackle with glee at being the one “approving” practices. No thank you.
The medical necessity argument is being made to hormonally treat “transgender” kids. Aborhant. Do what you want when you’re an adult, and even then preferably over 25, once your brain has fully developed. Giving gender reassignment hormones and treatments to children is no better than Mengele.
Get a copy of “Transgender Mental Health”
by Eric Yarbrough, M.D. from the APA bookstore.
You will see that the language has been formed with new words and descriptions to better facillitate the changes being shoved down our throats.
The APA is out of control on this.
Mengele indeed.
“Over 25 when your brain is fully developed”?? Some of these morons brains NEVER develop imho! 😉
I agree that this should be adults only. It also shows me how much they really think of women. They are allowed to get off during sex, but the women aren’t? That’s right, I remember the saying over in the sandy area, “Women are for babies; Men are for pleasure.”
Hardin’s right about islam being a fucking illness but it’s not the only one…some of the more conservative christian and jewish cults aren’t a whole lot better….I’m not talking about mainstream people either…just the fuckwits who let their kid die for lack of a transfuions because they believe it’s god’s will….maybe, just maybe god gave you a fucking brain to use it to save your kid.
Here’s a wild idea, how about adults stop doing anything to kids in the name of religion?
Don’t cut their female parts, their male parts, don’t keep them from being vaccinated or given blood transfusions that will save their lives.
Just stop fucking with your kids because of your belief that someone magical thinks you ought to.
Male circumcision is a hygienic procedure with no real downside that leaves its subject fully sensitive and functional with no deficiencies. Female genital mutilation removes most/all of the erogenous tissues from the vagina, which not only has long-term consequences for both general health and childbirth, but also ensures that sex will be an excruciatingly painful experience for the girl once she’s an adult. There is no equivalency between the two.
Sure there is, both are done without consent. If someone is to be truly born free they shouldn’t be subjected to procedures that alter their bodies permanently before they get a shot at saying no I don’t want that.
Well said. You summed my thoughts up in two sentences better than I could in a wall of text. ^^
Bullshyt! I wasn’t circumsized because my airheaded mom decided I shouldn’t be! Against my dad’s wishes I might add….I have despised her interference for over 70 years…!
“Male circumcision is a hygienic procedure”
It depends. If done by doctors in a hospital, I would agree. However, more orthodox/traditional jews will have the procedure done by a mohel in a religious ceremony. The mohel is not always medically trained and can cause serious scars or
disfigurement. Furthermore, although rarely done today, the mohel might suck the blood from to wound to “clean” it (Metzitzah B’Peh). Yup, aside risking from transmitting herpes, ritual circumcision can involve an old man sucking a baby’s dick.
“with no real downside that leaves its subject fully sensitive and functional with no deficiencies”
This is a topic that is a topic I’m very passionate about, so I’ll try to remain calm in my argument.
While I believe that there is definitely a loss of sensitivity, the only way to really know for sure is to have the procedure done as a teenager or an adult. But even then, after everything has healed up, the loss of sensitivity will not be at the same level as if the head had been chafing around in your tighty whiteys since you were a child. Advocates for the procedure often list the benefit of “lasting longer” precisely due to the loss of sensitivity. I hope this is not TMI, but from my personal anecdotal experience I can say that if I pull the skin back, I can’t pull my pants back up, as it just tickles too much. Additionally, the skin on the glans dries and shrivels after a while of leaving the head exposed, which is quite uncomfortable. I presume those who’ve had the procedure done in their childhood probably don’t have those issues.
The foreskin is nature’s way of protecting the penis. If we didn’t need it, we would have evolved it away a long time ago. Circumcision, unless there is a medical need, is an unnecessary procedure that is mainly practiced out of habit/tradition in the US. If it was a medical necessity, men’s dicks in many parts of Africa, Europe, and Asia would be falling off. I believe that as an adult you should be able to do whatever you want with your dick, but it is unethical to take that choice away from kids, again, unless it is medically necessary. /rant off
All that to say that, I don’t believe that circumcision is as bad as FGM. FGM is far more barbaric and unnecessarily brutal and demeaning. But if one is legal under religious freedom, then the other should be as well.
Of course I don’t condone either procedure being performed on children, but if your god demands you chop off bits of your privates, then you should have the option to do so as an ADULT.
If you have been circumsized, then you having a ph–king clue what you are talking about! Circumcising a boy in his 8th day is when he is least susceptible to infection….and DAMNED sure should be done, unless you want to boy to despise your ass for the rest of his life!! imho
“Male circumcision is a hygienic procedure”
hygiene and decreased cancer risk debate aside: I have never once seen a case of phimosis/paraphimosis in a female due to a foreskin(prepuce)complication, which is a real consideration in males and can be an emergency.
…and they aren’t just clipping the clitoral hood in those procedures, they are cutting the erectile tissues of the clitoris and/or removing it in varying degrees…it’s NOT a circumcision
“My biggest problem with modernity may lie in the growing separation of the ethical and the legal.”
― Nassim Nicholas Taleb, The Bed of Procrustes: Philosophical and Practical Aphorisms
Clitoridectomy (call it what it is FFS) is unnecessary to anyone. I don’t give a fukk if they “want” it or not. Under the principles of ethical practice this is abhorrent.
This is enfuriating. Female genital multinational should be charged as one of the most egregious forms of assault on a child.
I suspect the reason it is being protected is because males have been circumcised without a ban in the US since our founding. Thus banning female mutilation is being regarded by the courts as targeting a specific subset of religions.
Some religious practices flat out should be banned. Many are without any controversy. Cannibalism has a history of religious practice yet nobody sees banning it as unconstitutional.
The fact that female genital multinational is not regarded as a sufficiently outrageous act to be bannable is ridiculous.
Never mind this Judge rules entirely on the basis that the ban was outside bounds of federal power.
It is still constitutional to ban female genital mutilation at the state level. This decision has no effect on the 27 states that have already banned it and the dozen considering a ban.
I actually understand the judge’s position despite that fact that it means these absolute piece of shit parents and doctors get away with it.
Congress has no authority to ban something outside the scope of interstate commerce.
I do think states medical boards should find some excuse the revoke these doctor’s medical licenses.
Something does not have to be criminalized for it to be a violation of medical ethics.
It’s nice to see a judge rule on the law instead of personal feelings and politics, as disgusting and cruel as genital mutilation is. And I’ll agree that allowing male circumcision probably was a big factor. Medical ethics violations could be a great help to stop this, but it’s my understanding is that it’s usually not performed by a doctor or even trained medical people. It’s savage butchery, no matter who does it.
You spouted off in your first cmt, Lars, then actually read something and backtracked. You then made another bonehead error in your second cmt. Is there anything at all you know something about that can’t be found on the back of a cereal box?
The “custom” of circumcision is as ancient as the pyramids, maybe older. Started in northeastern Africa, with pharonic influence and the power of the temple priests. It may go back even further than that, the oldest example found so far being a tomb containing a circumcised man from 4,000 BC.
Female circumcision is NOT the same thing. There is NO history of it, although attempts to control the sex lives of women in the temples included forcing “pins” through the labia. But that is NOT circumcision.
It was also a way to separate the non-slaves from slaves of the household.
Here you go: https://www.ancient-origins.net/history-ancient-traditions/history-circumcision-0010398
What is being done to these female children is mutilation and nothing else.
As fare as I am concerned this mutilation of the female clitoris is an act of a barbaric nature on an innocent child. It is presumably carried out to the wishers of some raving rat bag who was a pedophile, and let a brain dead mob around by the nose in the middle east about 1500 years ago. The mob haven’t yet woken up to the fact that they have had their chain pulled and are now standing in their own shit.