You might remember Ethan Arguello. He was the fellow who got Sergeant Major Archie to resign from the Marine Corps when he accused the sergeant major of head-butting him – it really wasn’t a head butt at all, but the sergeant major resigned anyway. Arguello was protesting the fact that this administration had traded five terrorists for Bowe Bergdahl while wearing his drill instructor’s campaign cover at the Parris Island MCRD main gate.
Last month, he confronted Bill Clinton about Hillary Clinton’s involvement with the four murders of the Americans at Benghazi. In that reportage, he was anonymous, and identified as “a Marine veteran”.
With the crowd booing him, the former Marine drill sergeant continued to ask the tough questions. That’s right, American Patriot the III% will ask the hard questions if the soft media won’t. The Clinton fan base was so against the truth that even the ex-president was quoted as to saying “You listen to me, I’m not your Commander in Chief anymore, but if I was I’d tell you to be more polite”
He is indeed a Marine veteran;
From an article at WTOC;
Arguello was stationed in Iraq from 2004-2006 with the Marine Corps. He said he lost seven of his 31 fellow Marines in combat.
The group says it’s anti-American what Obama did, exchanging five terrorists for one traitor, and they won’t tolerate it.
“I hold every member of Al Qaeda directly responsible for the death of each of my brothers and the injuries also,” said Arguello. “Therefore, the release of those five is essentially the release of these five murderers of my brothers.”
He’s fond of making the claim that seven people were killed in his platoon;
“A lot of troops and Marines in general were wounded in combat,” said Arguello, 31. “I was in a platoon of 30 where seven were killed and six were wounded beyond return. Not all of them have the ability to run. Fortunately, I am able to. I wanted to raise awareness to support our amputees, our combat-wounded veterans.”
I’d like for him to explain that “six were wounded beyond return” statement, though.
Arguello was a Light Armored Vehicle mechanic in the 3rd Light Armored Reconnaissance Battalion which battled the insurgents in Fallujah twice, and he was probably there both times. As a mechanic. In 2008, he became a drill instructor at Parris island and he served in that position for about three years. He had eight total years of service, but then he left as a Lance Corporal (E-3). As near as I can tell, he hasn’t exactly lied about his service in the Marines, but I’m thinking that Arguello and the Marine Corps didn’t part on amicable terms. That’s probably why the sergeant major confronted him at the front gate of Parris Island that day. Now we know the rest of the story.
Huh. Time to research some CM records.
I wonder if this is the same guy?
http://www.leatherneck.com/forums/showthread.php?68650-Texas-town-a-microcosm-for-service-enlistment
If so, even his pre-service record was less than stellar.
First, middle, and last names are the same. Both entered the Marines. Time frame appears to be consistent. I’d say there’s a very good chance it’s the same guy.
Third LAR Battalion is based out of 29 Palms, so there’s another match…
(Dang. I didn’t look very close at his DD214, otherwise I’dve caught those…)
I read most of the arguments below. But as the attention whore I am I will post here on top.
So, for all of you defending this guy as brave defender of freedom and serving when few people do, I got a simple question.
If he was so great and brave, why didn’t he join as an 11B, or whatever the USMC infantry MOS is?
He joined as a mechanic because he didn’t want any of it. Period.
I’m not a defender of the guy by any means. He may or may not have had a choice in what MOS he had. He was a LAV mechanic, but he was Battalion Level, which meant he quite possibly could have come under quite a bit of fire while repairing vehicles. He wasn’t a door kicker but he went where he was ordered and was awarded a CAR.
That being said I’m sure he embellished what he did do. He’s an attention whore.
I was a Mech and while I never got the chance to actually kick in any doors in Fallujah during the battle in April I was stuck in a position on the edge of town. But we all trained in MOUT and SASO during work ups prior to deploying to Fallujah, to do just that, and I most certainly would have if they let me.
What does Infantry have to do with anything. Anyone in the Military can and most will be willing go in harms way. Iraq was not just Infantry and SOF outside the wire risking sniper fire IED’s and in general bad guy shit heads. You had all kind of JTF’s, PRTS, Engineers, Medics and all the Security for all the log runs. I am not saying it is the same as door thumping but their ass’s were on the line also. I guess The two IED’s I took wasn’t real seamed real to me. Plus this was Fallujah and at that time it was all hands on deck. We even had two security units and a clearance team hold the line as Marines moved in and cleared. All Marines I ran into and worked around were all but willing to go get it no matter MOS. Granted my work was mostly with Marine Engineers gut still. So think before you make some comment like that. By the way I lost one and 15 wounded and or injured and we had a small det. So think… Yes this guy is a shit head and needs to think before he uses the Combat Vet thing but he went period.
Sorry should read “all (not But) willing to go get it”
“Engineers but” (not gut)
Damn straight. Our company (3rd AABN Aco) lost 5 Marines in or near Fallujah in 04 none of which were Grunts, and at least one that died actually defending a grunt position as far as I understand it went down during the 1st battle.
Too bad I didn’t see this post earlier to properly respond to it.
Now too many days have past by and as an attention whore, I don’t like making posts nobody is going to see.
But I’ll take a little risk of losing my attention whore reputation and post just a very small response.
What does infantry have to do with anything?
How about EVERYTHING?
When you join the Army, not sure about the other services, you choose what your MOS will be.
Do you want to fight for your country, defend your people by crushing the bad guys before they can come over to this side of the pond, risking your limbs and live, or, OR, do you want to just do your time and go to college on the GI Bill, or perhaps you want job security and work for 20 years and retire?
Bottom line, the Army is the infantry and everybody else is support.
If you wanted to be guy fixing the vehicle in which I ride into combat, and occasionally pull outer cordon security while I go in and I take out the big bad wolf, that’s your prerogative.
Do not come and effing tell me all MOS are the same.
Everyone wants to be Infantry but no one wants to do that whole Infantry thing first.
That being said, the USMC has always had a “rifle first” mentality”.
Exactly. I was just saying that not all jobs outside the wire was done by infantry and the dangers were there. I went to towns an villages and had sit towns all the time in there places not on FOBS and highly secured areas T- walls got put not by infantry justifying there are other MOS or jobs that have high risk also.
Sorry misfire, meant “Infantry Not.. Justifying.
Exactly.
All these pogs think that being infantry is just doing missions outside the wire.
They never see all the sweat and tears that go between each deployment. Hell, deployments are the easy part, if it were not for the farm buying deal.
The poguetry here never sees all the LFXs, from team to BDE level, living on the field for who knows how long.
The other day I had a pog tell me that they went to the field too, when one of my team leaders was running his mouth, using his G-d given right to bitch, bitchin about too much on the field.
I almost lost it on the pog, but I kept my composure because I am a professional Soldier. The poguetry association goes to the field, that much is true, but they go to support us, to provide what we need, while we low crawl all through the mud, keeping our weapons clean, to our realese point to execute our training exercise.
So, yeah, to the civilian fags out there we all do the same shit, but here, between ourselves?
Hell no.
Well I will give you some attention because you’re ignorant. Infantry has nothing to do with it he wa sa ordinance mechanism for lav/lar now I can’t say absolutely because I was an AAV mech but I think they operate a lot like we do in tracs in that on the fleet we don’t just sit on a base waiting for vehicles to work on like jiffy lube or something. We are assigned a section a few vehicles and we roll with them and the infantry when attached or on our own. Furthermore Fallujah was a different time and place back then and a lot of rolled on MSR patrols even in hummers and such and conducted VSP’s among many other tasks that may have even been a little outside our AOR so to speak but then again it’s not the Army as you already pointed out were marines and we are all capable and do what the fuck we are told to do. I personally served with two other mechs that laid down their lives as 2141’s and several others that were other various mos’s not grunts that disprove your perception of us.
damn phones suck to type on. And for tge record I am not defending this guy either I am defending the rest of us you just limped in with your ignorant attempt at self glorification though. I would be defending him just based on the original post but with some of the commentary here if true thats net very defensible.
This is not an ignorant attempt at self glorification.
This is me telling you my dick is bigger than your dick, because when I signed in, when I had not idea how the Army worked and what each MOS did, I raised my hand and chose infantry as my MOS, thinking I was very likely to die, because as a civilian I didn’t know shit about the army, and thought the movies were right and the infantry was meat for the grinder, and anybody has a better chance than the infantry.
Ok, it was an ignorant attempt at self glorification.
I told you I was an attention whore.
Well said brother. Like I said we had guy’s out on security and clearing routs..
As a part time job.
And pulling outer cordon security aint nowhere near doin infantry shit.
Well you know what they say Combat is Combat and everything else is just training. Outer Cordon, Kicking Doors, or otherwise, my POG Combat Action Ribbon trumps any grunts ego that never saw a war zone never the less actual combat. I got two relatives that were also Marines during these two wars one of which was a 0311 grunt and never seen shit. So put that in your pipe and smoke it.Rah?
I knew him, and I served with him on that deployment, OIF 5-7. 3D LAR D Company. He was a good Mech, and a good NCO. He did have a way of pushing stuff to far. With that being said, I would have him watch my back any day, and twice on Sunday.
Eight years of full-time active duty and he left as an E-3? Just how much of a troublemaker was he?
Oh, wait – he’s gone and confronted Slick Willie about something that happened long after he left office. Yes, that makes sense, doesn’t it?
I wonder why he never got beyond E-3….
Oh, he did get past it. And apparently he liked being a Terminal Lance. Literally.
Also, 214 looks dicked up. Guy was in Iraq twice and Sea Service/Foreign Service counters are zero?
Someone just wanted his ass out of there, pronto. Notice seps date and date of rank are same day. Whoopsie.
No, The Navy and Marines do not count it like that. The way it works if he was on a float he would have Sea time counting. Deployments to Iraq are just that Deployments and yes you get a sea service deployment for that but it is not se service just a ground deployment. Also they do not count froing service like that unless you are stationed oversea like Japan and bases like that but you have to be stationed not on 6month deployment like Marines and we do and you still get a deployment ribbon just not sea service. They deploy the same way we do unless they are on float with MEU.
Example I have 11 deployments so I have 11 on my sea service deployment ribbon, but non of it was on a ship so no sea time.
I was stationed in Greece for 2 years then went back for another and left early on both for reassignment and schools in route. My overseas time is 2 years 10 months and 14 days. Note I deployed to Storm 90-91, Iraq-2, AFG-1, Pakistan and several other deployments to Asia and South Central America not on my counter but is accounted for on my sea service deployment ribbon. So his shit is not jacked up, he may be jacked up. The other thing is during that time frame he would have been there for phantom Fury Fallujah and it is and just because he was a MACH did not mean he didn’t leave the wire and it looks like he is M2 and MK19 certified so I would say he was on Maint Truck or ran security and was a gunner on a truck. We had Security Teams go in with the Marines and got to the cross section and help the perimeter and cleared all routes behind Marines as they went in and moved forward. So it was all hands on deck even combat support elements were part of it.
Huh. Learn something new every day. Thanks, Chief.
Oldman Brought up a good point. I called my PSD and they told me what I stated and that is the way they count it and they do not put deployment time in that block. So I would worn you guy’s when looking at Navy and Marine time in BLK 12 f and g you will have to look at sea service ribbon and campaigns. My 2 cents but I will look into it because my shit is jacked and many others will be.
You are right about it not being listed as as sea service but still counting for a ribbon how ever it would have been listed under line e. Foreign Service instead and is not so this record is jacked. But as many others have stated he got out in a hurry and they often mess up when you do that I did not get CM’d like he may have according to some accounts here, but I got medically seped fast and they dicked my record up too, I am missing a whole deployment on mine, along with some other quals and such that I think should have been listed as an example, small potatoes but still wrong.
No, as I sadi it is not Fooriegn service they deploy for 6-9 months and are counted that way they are not assigned to a command in country they are counted as Temp Duty or attachment. This is how they control numbers. I have all the deployments I stated but the only time for forign service is when I was Greece and it is counted to the day that was a DOD tour so was assigned there. I believe the Army does it different. This is why they have 1 year tour of duty for units Navy and Marine Corps units do not deploy that way and only for 6-9 months. I think the key thing is the 1 year mark.
spell check foreign…
Well I am a Marine NCO as well and also served in Fallujah in 2004 and that deployment (mind you this cat is a LAR mech and I am an AAV Mech so kinda the same boat if you will.) is counted on my DD214 as “Foreign service” no “sea Service” even though I most definitely was awarded a Sea Service Deployment ribbon for it along with an ICM, MUC and a CAR.
Shit oldman You got me FUBARED. I was told they don’t count deployments that way. So I contacted my PSD that did my 214 and they told me same thing then I said well the definition is worked overseas outside 5o states. My time would be 12 years 4 months. They said good point but the Navy has never done it that way. So this should be a note to all of us that are looking at records and trying question people that Navy and Marine blocks 12f and 12g could be wrong. So you need to look at Sea Service deployment ribbon and Campaign Medals.
Now that I think about it that’s pretty much how it went.
Example: Had I been on a ship in, say, Yokosuka, my sea service counter would go up, and I’d be entitled to an SSDR every year, regardless of whether or not we deployed. Had I been on shore duty in Yoko, no SSDR or sea time, BUT you do get foreign service credit and Overseas Service Ribbon for each year–can’t get both.
Yep, But you guy’s brought some things up and this is why I called. We deploy all the time and leave us soil but they don’t count that. I think it has to do with a ship deployment and a ground deployment are counted the same way and this may be wrong because ship guy’s do not operate and step on ground like we and Marines do. So this is why they record the way they do. The other thing the clerks are lazy that would be a lot of time to count for like mine 12 years 4 months and it is sporadic.
yep…24 years in, but sea service counter only clicked if I went on deployment via ship. Could spend 6 months on foreign soil, but if we flew in, the sea service counter didn’t move.
“11 on my sea service deployment ribbon,”
Damn, ya beat me, I only have 10. It wasn’t for lack of trying for another one though. lol
That’s our Sea duty. If your a Bee and in battalion you will deploy all the time. They call is green machine sucks, but did some cool shit and worked with some cool Military units from all over US and others.
Hmm. Interesting item in Block 18 (Remarks) of his DD214: “Continuous active duty from 20031028 to 20080227”. However, the separation date is given as 20110316.
I’m wondering if someone didn’t report for duty on 28 Feb 2008 – and for a rather long time afterwards. Or perhaps had a fair amount of time that “doesn’t count” for other reasons that started on 28 Feb 2008, like maybe an extended stay in the brig.
Had I the time/resources, going over some CM records could be very revealing.
Please find some time. Interested minds want to know.
My Nephew was a DI in the Same Company as him. He was a fuck up
Hmm. Any chance your nephew could enlighten us about the man’s departure from the USMC?
He was a weak hat, then stuck his dick in the wrong place. To make matters worse he recorded it on video. He was had his MOS voided. Pretty sure he got a Special Court Martial out of it but didnt get that part.
He finished DI school and was assigned to a Company November of 2008 and was 10 months short of a three year tour when he got booted in March 2011.
Sgt Major Archie probabably was well aware of what a shit bag he was and he lost his cool when he saw him wearing a Smokey, especially since he had been voided. Archie went to early retirement because he had to go all devil dog on a civilian.
Arguello is an attention whore.
Thinking with the wrong head and stupid enough to video it, eh? Geez.
Shit. Now that we’ve gotten “the rest of the story” it makes a lot more sense that SgtMaj Archie knew exactly who he was, and exactly what he was. Now I really feel bad that he had retire because of that douche bag. Now, what he did as the Base Commanders Senior Enlisted Advisor; in uniform, in public, and on tape, was beyond unprofessional. But I would absolutely buy the man a beer.
Recruit Training Regiments don’t have a lot of Permanent Personnel. There are probably less than 150 or so working DIs at any given time and word Travels fast. If a DI in Pisses on the corner of the Parade Deck The Depot Sgt Major knows about it before it evaporates.
IMHO one does not do that many years and exit as an E3 without being a heavy duty dickstepper. Any details?
As noted above, his date of rank and date of separation are the same, which both suggest he was punitively separated with a reduction of rank from Sgt to LCpl.
Had SgtMaj Archie head-butted him, he would have probably deserved it.
(Regular promotions take effect on the 1st day of the month.. but IIRC, meritorious promotions take place on the 2d day of the month).
Correct. The guys chrono page is dicked up, my guess is when he did a dick dance his SRB went straight to legal and didnt come back until he was seperated. His last unit listed on his Chrono page was 2nd Recruit Traning Bn, yet he was seperated from Support Bn.
More than likely he was given a Special court and his date of rank and discharge were the date the sentence was reviewed and approved.
You carry the rank that you was discharged with from the Marine Corps for the rest of your life.
Not the highest rank that you achieved.
The fact that numerous news articles claiming that he’s a Sgt clearly show that he’s embellishing. Not once has he ever stated or corrected anyone on his rank structure.
Bottom line, He’s a 10% shit stirring Jarhead who can’t face the truth that he FUBARed an otherwise outstanding enlistment in the Marines.
you do not carry any rank unless you retire. you become a civilian and your oath of enlistment has expired (put that in here just for the weird ass “oath keepers”)
Scotty did you get a general discharge after complaining to get your BCD upgraded?
I believe you fubard you’re career as well. Its the pot calling the kettle black.
Go easy on the mushrooms bro. Getting stuck on stupid is no way to go through life.
Scotty got his BCD from KFC. The Colonel makes them to go.
Attacking Scotty just makes you look stew pid.
There is your biggest problem Lament. You Believe.
Plenty of people have seen not only my Honorable discharge. But also my dd-214 and FOIA.
So pound sand jackwagon.Your comment holds no merits here.
General under honorable conditions big difference than an honorable discharge. I also believe you have two felonies from 2005.
Monique, you’re full of shit. Plenty of people have seen my discharge papers.
They’ve also seen the court convictions from 2005 where the charges were dropped from felony to misdemeanor. now how many photos would you like to see of me in procession of firearms ? Or would my voter ID card be enough? don’t come knocking on my door. I’ll put you in your place quick!
I don’t give a flying fuck how pissed you are at me. If you would learn to shut that cocsucker of yours. I wouldn’t have to do damage control when you shove your nose where it doesn’t belong.
Says the fucktard who gets his info from the DRG.
Poof, begone.
That was the story that Chevalier tried to push on his “evidence” page. This comment is coming from Dallas. So, is this a long-awaited Chevy sighting?
^^^^This^^^
You’re fuckin-a spot on. I commented on that way above. Well, now the truth is out there. As a retired derbil, I am publicly calling him an EX DI, an EX Sgt, an EX LCpl, and an EX Marine. He dishonored himself, and he dishonored the Marine. FUUUUUUUUUCK HIM!!!!!!
He’s a patriot. He may have fucked up his career but I applaud him on standing up to shit politicians and the traitors that stick up for them. I’m surprised Obama and co aren’t constantly filled and booed at every opportunity it’s by veterans for this actions regarding enabling the enemy at just about any possible opportunity.
Talking shit about a 2 time fallujah veteran because he doesn’t meet your sensibilities on how to protest is petty as fuck.
So prior honorable deeds forever shield one from criticism for their present actions?
Guess I’ll make sure to have my CIB and DD214 in hand when I decide to go out and drive drunk and beat my wife.
Protesting is a legally protected right of all citizens, beating your wife while driving drunk has always been a crime.
Your analogy lacks the appropriate equality of measure, I’m okay with how FC0311 sees this because yeah this former marine probably hosed his service by banging someone he shouldn’t have but unless I missed something he didn’t lose his citizenship in the process so he still gets to protest the president even if he wears a hat he shouldn’t when he does. 1
And yes he did serve when 99% of the population didn’t and wouldn’t so he does at least have the right to say that maybe he earned his right to protest a whole helluva lot more than some douchebag undergrad at some liberal college who’s never done one real piece of work in their sheltered little life.
I don’t agree with the hat and I won’t be wandering around with stupid fucking signs, but this guy isn’t stealing any valor from anyone he’s just a knucklehead which is something we’ve all been at one time or another unless we are lying to ourselves.
VOV,
Fair enough. You pretty much encapsulated my argument, I disagree with this guy for the simple fact that he is being a knucklehead and an asshat.
My gripe is that he should know better. Sure, he has the legally protected right to engage in his actions, but as someone who so quickly and eagerly professes his background to enhance his position and the power of his argument, he sure doesn’t act like a product of the USMC’s NCO Corps.
More than anything, I have a very low tolerance for hypocrisy, which prompted my response to FatCircles (which, in and of itself, was washed at least twice through my “speaking to the command staff” filter before I hit reply).
Thanks, I understand your point as well. It is discouraging to see someone who should have known better doing something boneheaded, but if he knew better he wouldn’t have been playing hide the salami where he wasn’t supposed to be either…
Which makes him a dumbass no doubt, but I’m not certain I want to castigate him the same as I would some jackass who’s lying for personal gain and defrauding people…
That’s all…I appreciate your measured response…I wasn’t sure if was in asshat mode when I replied to you..thanks again!
No worries, and no asshat-ishness taken. I’m all about civil discourse, even if I don’t agree with the other person.
That being said, you are correct…as distasteful as I may find it, Mr. Arguello has the right to express himself as he desires within the limits of law.
The big compliant is wearing his Drill Cover after leaving the Drill Field. Plus using the Hat in a public political statement in public. Try to understand that the Marine Corps is very strong in honoring Traditions. He would have head butted my fist. Honest ! Joe
I support dick weed here…
why is he the one asking questions that the News (aka) media should be asking ? ? ?
he fucked up by dipping his pen in company Ink.
but it’s hard for me to bash someone for asking questions that a lot of us have ! ! !
As a Drill?
He dipped his pen in the equivalent of “federally protected and endangered” ink.
Dealing with Initial Entry Trainees for as long as I did, I have zero sympathy for Cadre who do it.
The day I reported, I was briefed and then given TRADOC Reg 350-6 (treatment of IETs) and within a month we all had it pretty much memorized. We all understood very quickly that doing it would land us in Leavenworth for a decade or two, or three. So, he’s damn lucky he was just separated.
I’m not making any excuse on the Brown Round That was a Total NO-GO ! ! !
And if I was CSM I would have punch his F- ing Lights out ! ! ! !
I admire what he did with Bubba as it deals with the beast
As far as the incident in SC he got what he wanted and I believe he is lucky
Someone didn’t reset his brain sack for his lack of thought or overuse of his fourth point of contact
No problem with his asking questions. Again no problem with the content of his questions. The problem is his appeal as a authority by wearing his Drill Instructor’s cover. Joe(Old Corps Sargeant as by the Stan and Sand Box Marines) Nam 6-66 thru 9-68 Joe PS do not wish me a Happy Nam Day
exactly ^^^^^
Joseph Williams
“PS do not wish me a Happy Nam Day”
10-67 to about 20 May 68.
Nothing “Happy” about those effing days and the wonderful reception we all received.
Parades? A Day Late and a Dollar Short .
The man has a right to protest. Gaggnon has a right to put up billboards. Lawton has a right to…feed his fat ass.
The common denominator is people like him who end their career on a bad note tend to over compensate for it.
A dishonored DI showing up at PI with claims of daring do needs some attention. It was not enough for him to end his own career, his bullshit caused the end of another Marine’s career.
LCpl Arguello can kiss my ass. I am living proof that you can step on your dick in the Corps multiple times and if you are worth a fuck you will still become a SNCO.
It appears that Lawton has a friend he can belly up to the buffet with.
Phuk Ewe Arguello.
He might have fucked up his career, and it maybe pisses some folks off he wears the DI hat, but it’s not a crime as far as I know to wear a hat belonging to the military…I’m not wandering around with a sign or a hat, but then again I don’t go around wearing any military stuff…
He also has the right to protest…I don’t see him lying to raise money for himself nor do I see him lying about what he’s been…he might have been discharged as E3 but he was a sergeant at one time so stating he was a sergeant isn’t lying. Maybe he fucked up big, or maybe he fucked up small and crossed the wrong asshole superior in the process…I see a lot of senior officers fucking subordinates or just fucking up and retiring at rank so I’m less inclined to see this man as a bad guy.
In any event he’s pissed off at the president…he’s holding a sign proclaiming his concerns…
So maybe he’s an assclown who hosed his service with stupid decision, or maybe he’s just a pissed off citizen who did something by serving in Iraq that most didn’t and wouldn’t do and now he’s unhappy with the government he swore to protect and he’s protesting as his right as an American allows him to do. I’m okay with this guy pissing and moaning about Obama trading killers for a retard who deserted…
It’s a Marine and NCO Thing. Joe
I don’t argue he doesn’t have the right to protest because he does. I think the manner in which he did it (and the location) is called into question – especially while wearing a DI cover.
I won’t discredit the service which was honorable, but he is being disingenuous by holding himself out as a DI while making a political point (or whatever) – when in actuality he was bounced from the Marines under less than favorable circumstances.
From where I sit, earning the 0911 MOS and the DI cover is a coveted thing. While he may have been a hat and a Marine, he lost the privilege of both after receiving some sort of punitive discharge and the reduction that came with it. In short, he discredits the MOS and pretty much the Corps because of his antics.
The Corps is steeped in tradition, hence Marines are known to pride themselves in that. NCO’s (especially) are expected to uphold and maintain those traditions, but Arguello violated that. An NCO thing? Yes, it is. I suspect quite a few will understand that (in spite of my struggle to explain it more succinctly).
Clearly this doesn’t rise to the level of stolen valor (as Jonn points out elsewhere), but it does merit some scrutiny among Marines who understand the thought process.
Yes, it’s just a cover – but its the manner and circumstances in which it was worn that gives this more scrutiny, at least in Marine Corps discussion circles.
Just my .02 cents.
I appreciate what you are saying, thinking it over last night I would probably amend my comments to include the concept that if he were truly a man of honor regardless of the mistakes he made while serving he would have chosen a different look for the protest than that cover…
I take no issue with your comments, VOV. In fact, I don’t take exception to many here unless their keyboard allows them to become asshats. Your comments (among others) are the reason I lurk here from time to time – because I value the opinion of others and have grown appreciative of them, even if I don’t agree with everyone. Beyond that, most of what I read here are great arguments or are pure comedy gold. I’m glad that Jonn at least puts up with me and am appreciative we have a place where we can sound off among like-minded others.
My comment (above) was intended to reinforce Joseph Williams’ comment, not an attack against yours. Perhaps I didn’t articulate my points very well (I’m not as good at writing as most others here), but I think most people get the jist of the point I try to make…most of the time.
In the end I think we all agree that Arguello is an idiot.
No worries my friend, I’m never offended…I appreciate the kind words and I too enjoy reading the wide variety of opinions voiced here.
Makes me consider my own $0.02 from time to time to determine if it’s actually worth that or much less…
To be clear, I posted this because readers asked about him. I was clear that I don’t believe that this was stolen valor. If you think there was nothing wrong with what he has done, that’s your prerogative. But, sometimes, the messenger is as important as their message.
Arguello can’t seem to make a political point without announcing that he’s a veteran, as if that gives him some sort of moral superiority in the discussion. He made his service record part of the discussion, now you know the extent of that service.
Arguello has the same character traits as Adam Kokesh. All bad.
Thanks John for clearing it up. I appreciate your post.
Regardless of whether one supports this guy’s position or not, it should be abundantly clear to everyone here that he displayed extraordinarily bad judgment when he chose to don that USMC DI campaign cover while protesting outside of the main gate at MCRD Parris Island. The area around Parris Island and Beaufort, SC is swarming with Marines, both active duty and retired, and Marines simply don’t respond very well to ill-advised, provocative acts like this, particularly when USMC uniform items are worn during protests with the obvious intent of implying USMC support for the protestor’s issue(s), whatever they may be.
Yeah, yeah, I know. “Freedom of Speech” and all that. I get it. No need for anyone to try to hold school now and provide me with a patronizing period of instruction on “Freedom of Speech”. I spent a career in the Marine Corps defending our right to “Freedom of Speech”, so I’m relatively confident that I have a good working knowledge of what “Freedom of Speech” entails.
That said, I think that it’s important to note here that just because you CAN do something, doesn’t necessarily mean that you SHOULD do it. Exercising one’s right to freedom of speech also means that one should do so responsibly. That didn’t happen here.
Nothing was gained here; this whole incident was overly provocative and blatantly stupid. The only result was unnecessary/unwanted controversy and embarrassment.
I’ll leave you with this. Protest all you want. Scream yourself hoarse. Wave a sign until your arms give out. Wear a grass skirt and fruit on your head and dance around like a mindless lunatic. Who cares. It’s your right.
Just please leave the uniform items at home.
Concur!
Responsible expressions of free speech these days are about as rare as moments of truth at All Points Logistics…
(Thought I’d make you smile GT)
The fact that I agree with much of what he’s saying during his “protests” doesn’t excuse his lies, embellishments, or totally inappropriate wear of uniform parts as a civilian. No one should be surprised that so many of us correctly identify his idiotic behavior for what it is.
I will not defend anyone on their Service in the Military as I am not Military and I have no idea what kind of record Ethan had as a Marine. But I do know that he is a good father to a baby boy and a good husband. The first time I met him was the day we all, as APIII% members joining EThan, drove to Parris Island. My friend Matthew called the media and told them we would be there.
I respect you guys when you bring the whole truth, but I have some to add to the WHOLE story about the Incident that occurred between Ethan ., who is a former Drill Instructor at Parris Island, SC, and another former Drill Instructor SGTMAJ Archie. SGTMAJ Archie had seen this particular Marine Sgt. protesting the Bergdahl exchange for 5 top taliban commanders/Terrorists and he did not agree that he should have been wearing his Cover (Marine Drill Instructor’s hat). Now, this is a matter of opinion, right or wrong, it is opinion. The two disagreed on this subject over a heated argument on the phone the night before we went to protest on the road leading to Parris Island. When we arrived, media was already there as well as the Sheriff’s Deputy (to maintain order and keep the peace) and SGTMAJ Archie was waiting at the Parris Island gait. It was not long that SGTMAJ Archie drove off base, jumped out of his jeep where he began yelling at the Marine Sgt. for wearing his Cover. During this argument between two bellowing Drill Instructors SGTMAJ Archie pushed into the other Marine Sgt. with his head and knocked the Cover off of his head, he then picked it up and said he would throw it in the trash and drove off with it.
The Sheriff’s Deputy had to get the Cover back and charges were pressed for assault yet later dropped. SGTMAJ Archie was FORCED to retire. NOW. There are those who blame the Marine Sgt. for SGTMAJ Archie being forced to retire because they do not believe he should have been wearing his Cover, though there is no law stating that he cannot. It is opinion as many others say he has the right to wear his Cover.
Now, I find it sad that SGTMAJ Archie claims absolutely no responsibility for his actions that day and his supporters continue to attack the Marine Sgt. for SGTMAJ Archie being FORCED to retire. The Marine Sgt. DID NOT FORCE SGTMAJ Archie to wait for us to arrive after the argument the night before and knowing there would be further disagreement in front of the media and the Sheriff’s Deputy. The Marine Sgt. DID NOT FORCE SGTMAJ Archie to drive off base to confront him. It would take a Mighty Powerful Man to FORCE SGTMAJ Archie to do anything. When does a man take RESPONSIBILITY for his own actions? It is sad and pathetic that the blame is placed on the Marine Sgt. for SGTMAJ Archie’s actions that day.
The problem with all of this, is that the BIGGER PICTURE is lost. The MESSAGE of the Protest is Lost when you have all of the petty bickering. Bergdahl, a Traitor, was traded for 5 taliban commanders/terrorists. and now our message is that Hillary Clinton should NOT be running for President, but sitting in Prison for the rest of her life for all of her LIES and CRIMES. I post this because many keep posting and attacking and I am setting the record straight.
****Scotty’s friends have gone to my Youtube and left nasty messages. I am used to being bullied and threatened and even attacked due to going after josepth teti and his lies. But I never expected it from the people who try and find the truth nor from those I defended. But that is life.
By the way, we have yet to see Joseph Teti’s USMC DD-214 which would PROVE he FORGED his TWO Combat Dive Diplomas.
Also, I am the one who was with Ethan when we confronted Bill Clinton. First, we were asked to go the night before by other APIII% members to confront (not ask questions) Bill about Hillary Lying about Benghazi. Ethan wanted me to speak and I decided that Ethan’s word would carry more weight as a Marine who served his Country. I filmed it so that I could give it to our friend Matthew who runs our APIII% page, so he could post it for other APIII% members to see so that they could confront Bill Clinton at other rallies. I tried to email the video and tried to text it to him and I tried to send it through AT&T Locker for 3 HOURS but could not because the file was too big. So, I decided to upload it to my youtube account. Ethan never sought the attention. And none of us knew it would go viral. But I would do it again if it meant going after Hillary Clinton for her LIES and her CRIMES. That is really what was important…..
Then, you agree that Arguello’s message was lost because he wore the Drill Instructor cover.
Nope. The petty bickering. If it is not a crime to wear his Cover, but bad taste, in the opinon of some, then why take away from the reason he was there. What is more important, the opinion of bad taste or 5 terrorists being released for a traitor who got some of his brothers killed?
I’m familiar with your tireless work defending Arguello. This wouldn’t be an issue if he had taken Sergeant Major Archie’s advice from the night before the incident in the first place and not wore the cover. Apparently, Arguello put more value on wearing the cover than he did on his message.
I can tell you as a civilian, that the argument over the Cover is a non issue. More importantly, as a civilian, I am wanting to support the Military any way I am able, which is in tiny ways being a working mom. So, when I saw a Marine standing up for what he believed (his hat-Cover letting me know he was a Marine), I wanted to stand with him and help him get his message out. I didn’t bother to ask him what kind of soldier he had been, and I never asked him what kind of man he was. I only knew that I believed as he did and that it was wrong to trade 5 terrorists for a traitor. So, again, Ethan did not agree with Sgt. Major Archie, but he was NOT responsible for Sgt. Major Archie’s actions that day in front of the media and in front of the Sheriff’s Deputy. You can think that he is an asshat for wearing his Cover, but it is not a crime. So, the message was lost to an argument and that is how civilians see it.
It’s a Marine and NCO Thing. Joe
Ethan Arguello is NOT a Marine Sergeant Veteran. He is a Marine Lance Corporal Veteran.
He gave up his right to wear the Drill Instructors Campaign cover when he was busted back two ranks and kicked out of the Corps.
So tell him that. I could care less.
I am telling you what I saw with my own two eyes.
But when people come to my pages and they show their
asses and ignorance then I take issue. When I am a man warns me on your page that he is a Psycho and to ask YOU just how Psycho he is after ALLLLLLL of the bullshit I have had to deal with and for YOU to tell me, Scotty, that you are now A Okay with Dale Comstock after I defended you against him and 6 other guys attacking me, I take issue.
I have learned well what it is to be left to hang by many I have defended. And I have learned who are the most loyal to be trusted. That is for sure.
Tell Ethan he is not a Marine Sgt.
I don’t care.
I told you and everyone I will not defend his being a Marine good or bad or otherwise.
But when they attack my Youtube page they attack me
and when only part of the story is told, I will tell the rest.
Lady, you started the pissing match with Dale Comstock. No one else. Yes, I did damage control with him when my name was brought up. Dale and I have no quarrels with each other and never have.
As for a Marine telling you on my F/B timeline that he’s a Psycho. More than likely he is. BUT I never sent anyone to your you-tube channel to bash you or anyone else. so you can stop passing that blame upon me.
I will also tell L/Cpl Ethan Arguello that he is not a Marine Sgt Veteran. anytime, any where. Because it is the truth.
The way it went was I was defending George Davenport against Jenn Dare on Comstock’s page because all of the guys there were allowing her to attack George Davenport with lies about Joseph Teti being a fucking hero. I was defending GD and Comstock came to my page after I had asked if teti had been a Green Badge or a Blue. He didn’t like it and he came back to my page after I posted about what had happened and he went nuts and asked who ran the page. I told him that I did. That is when he and his two sons and other men came to my page and tried to bend me over and then they thought I was you. And I made damned sure they knew it was me. Then I got a phone call asking me to smooth it over with Comstock for YOU. I did not want to but out of RESPECT for YOU, I did. Ask QM3 who much I cried because I did NOT want to smooth it over that way, cuz it was Bullshit.
And there were many people being attacked at that time and many people were being defended. Sorry that I defended anyone. I now understand a lot more than I did back then. Believe me. You schooled me well as did a few others.
Scotty, remind me again that I am a woman and that I have no right to speak because I NEVER served.
Remind me how I have no self control. I fight for what I believe as I believe you and John fight for what you believe. If you want to believe mine is a lack of self control, that is your issue and not mine.
And that Marine on your page calling himself Psycho was also on my page as your post was on my page when you tagged me. Again, I had a right to defend myself when I spoke the TRUTH. I thought you sought the truth always too. No?
I will continue to stand for what I believe. I don’t care who that rubs the wrong way.
And tell Ethan anything you want. Again, I don’t care. All I care about is the TRUTH.
SGM Davenport and myself are both quite capable of defending ourselves on Social Media.
We asked you to stand down because you was stirring an unnecessary shit pot that we didn’t need at the time.Sometimes your best defense is to ignore the bullshit surrounding an exposure.
As for me reminding you that you’re a female civilian. i’ve never said that to you. nor will I ever. so you’re only reminding yourself of this fact.
Now I know how you operate and can’t seem to function without getting the last word in. So go for it. I’m finished with you on this matter.
This is not because I have to have the last word but because this was alone during the time that we were all on Tom Davies page and we were all going at Joe and his horde of women. I was not the only one stirring the s*** pot Scotty as you well know because you also were sued. And we were all asking for anyone who was standing up for Teti like Tom Davies and Comstock to prove Teti’s claims.
I never said anything that I couldn’t back up with proof and I never went after somebody without reason. And believe me there’s plenty of reason right now that you know nothing of.
I’m still trying to figure out how the Teti case ties into this case ?
I didn’t post on your comment here on this page. But you commented on mine. And I’m a woman. And very hurt by your Comstock comment on your page. And I was telling you how I felt. Does that explain it.
You just GOTTA have the last word, don’t you?
Quit playing the woman card of poor female me. What you refuse to come to terms is that a DI is only allowed to wear the Smokey cover while on recuit training duty.He being be careful of the UMCJ they can recall him to active duty and hammer the Lcpl’s ass again . Joe
I think I’m going to gag!!!! Geez, Monique, give it a rest, willya?
Who is Teti? Never heard of her.
And You are on point 100 %
he lost it due to his own actions, I still admire the crazy SOB for confronting Bubba about what his stank ass wife did in Libya, as far as what happened in South Carolina he fucked up and probably got his 100% PTS Claim from the VA thanks to this one action. and probably got his free lifetime membership to oath keepers too Lol…. 🙂
UPDATE: THIS IMPORTANT NOTICE HAS JUST COME IN
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Crazy and with those teeth there are a few things off limits!
Bat Shitz at that 🙂
No real comment on Arguellos actions, other than choosing MCRD Parris Island to protest the actions of the President seems like a weird spot to choose.
No, instead I want to point out that LAV Mechanics generally roll with the main element of the Bn in their own LAV. I know quit a few LAV mechs who saw a lot of combat throughout OIF. The nature of LAR’s mission requires them to be very close to the pointy tip. 3rd LAR did suffer 8 KIA in OIF, based on the dates though, it was definitely not on the same deployment.
Monique, Here’s your clue: I do not give a whit about anything you said after your words, “I will not defend anyone on their Service in the Military as I am not Military and I have no idea what kind of record Ethan had as a Marine.” Others apparently took enough interest to read and respond to the rest of what you said, and that is their absolute right.
The reason I don’t care what else you said is because the only thing I’m interested in is the fact that he at the very least exaggerates his military service and uses that exaggeration to make himself appear to be more than he is. In other words, he’s a liar. If you think that lying is OK, then you have to live with it. I don’t. Lying, under almost all circumstances, is far from OK.
The guy you are defending is a jerk as regards his military service and embellished claims. That’s all most of us here care about. This is, after all, a milblog.
What I meant was I didn’t care that Scotty told him. I never said I didn’t care about his lie. That is between me and him. I don’t have to go and social media to spank him to make myself feel good. And I never said I would defend his military career. Explain why I came here was because I wanted to let everyone know the full story concerning Parris Island and the Clinton rally. Take it or leave it it’s fine by me.
So this is you not having the last word, right?
Gotcha. So I am being told to shut up and go away when someone else adressed me.
So, again, I am not allow to clarify what I meant and just let y’all say what you want. Okay. Got it.
I told you; “be careful what you wish for”.
Her next “last word” coming in 3,… 2,… 1,…
You men are so brave to all gather around me to make your egos feel all big and bad. You taunt and you poke and then you say “Oh, there she is again”. Does it make you feel like big men to be so incredibly obtuse?
If you don’t want me to comment, then why do you feel the need to continue to goad me? Kinda sophomoric wouldn’t you say?
Mark Lauer (self-proclaimed Psycho from Scotty’s page) nothing has changed. The Facts are still the FACTS. No amount of belly aching or bullying will change that.
Does it make you feel better to try putting all these “big men” in their place by getting the last word?
*HAAAAAA!* I WAS RIGHT!!! XD 😀
Ya’ll are like a bunch of old gossiping women.
You don’t like the full story told about someone you don’t like. You just like your side of the story told.
Too bad the Facts don’t match up with your ‘ENTIRE STORY’ gents.
I didn’t see any of the men being told not to comment again. Sorry that there is a rule here on this page that you cannot defend yourself when being talked about.
John can always block me so you all can feel better.
You won’t be blocked.
You are pureinfotainment!
MM, I can tell EXACTLY which computer screen is yours, it’s the one with spots of white-out all over it, keep the laughs coming!
I am almost positive it’s Jonn not John. I am John but Jonn is not John, but I could be wrong. And I said that with a mouth full of popcorn with extra butter and a lot of salt.
Here’s the problem – you’re trying to tell a room full of veterans how we should feel about one of our own issues from your civilian perspective. We. Just. Don’t Care.
Respectfully I am not telling anyone how to feel about anyone.
I wanted to tell the full story of what happened.
I don’t care if the entire world hates Ethan. I don’t care if you go after him for facts about his Military Career. If he is a fuck up for being a substandard Marine then he deserves it. I never said he didn’t.
I just want the truth to be told about what happened. That is all.
Relax Monique…have a Snickers.
None of us would trade a well aged shit stain for Burgoo boy.
Most all of us agree with his and your intent, the manner in which it was delivered and by whom…not so much.
Insofar as Scotty goes, he has a bunch of low lifes on his friends list.
I unfriend him once a week, fucker just keeps showing back up.
MH,GD,SH have exercised a large dose of STFU lately. There is a reason for that.
May I suggest you follow the example on that issue.
Much respect.
Thank you, Dave.
You are a class act as always.
But what I had mentioned about other things, has nothing to do with what is going on in NC and the other three
Ain’t gonna happen Dave. That requires self discipline.
But Dave, I thought we had something going on, you and me. And now you’re sucking up to HER?????
Oh, that just bite the big one!
EX-PH2, you know I can not resist your gravy.
Besides, you spread your gravy around here all the time.
I have seen you flaunt your recipes to other men.
Just how much gravy DO you want, Dave Hardin?
WORD ^^^^^^
I have no idea who you are but you can SMYT’s!
Who are you calling ‘you men’, Toots? Some of us are WOMEN! Put that in your piehole and smoke it.
And get off the crazy train, wouldja? You’re coming off as a self-involved twit. Not very entertaining, either. The ants on my kitchen counter are more amusing.
Still haven’t answered my question, Tootsie. Who are you calling ‘you MEN’?????
I checked, and I still don’t have a penis yet. Don’t need one, either. So jam your attitude right now.
Self proclaimed Psycho?
No, no. I’m fully diagnosed, and have spent time in the psych ward to prove it!
But; you’re right, facts are facts and you’re learning that lesson.
And I’m not belly aching hon, YOU are.
As for bullying?
I stopped putting in my two cents weeks ago.
After I told you to be careful what you wished for.
You really weren’t, you know.
In any case; you’ve become very tiresome to this group of people, and to me as well. So, as such you have no further use to me or anyone else here.
You are, therefore dismissed from here, and from my mind.
Popcorn anyone?
just popped a huge bag this afternoon so my daughter could feed the ducks 🙂
I have plenty of leftovers for tonight
Awesome! We can never have enough popcorn.
Your credibility for going after the truth just went out the window.
Apparently you are not interested in the truth as you posted half of the truth and then made fun of the rest when it didn’t suit you. Again, I don’t care who you go after for their Military Fuck Ups, but at least get the story straight.
Scotty, says I have no self-discipline. Well at least I have my reasons for posting what I post. Reasons that even Scotty isn’t aware of.
What exactly are your reasons for bullying a person into not responding and then acting like a bunch of high school girls by all of your nasty remarks when that person is gone.
You say I hide behind being a woman. Nope, again my meaning is lost to you. I have never hidden behind being a woman. It meant that I am a woman and AS A WOMAN I have emotions and was hurt. Sorry if that is too much for you to grasp. I don’t hide behind being a Veteran to try and ass whoop someone into respecting them. The Veterans I know are respectful and would never act as you people have. You want respect but yet ya’ll act like a bunch of Misogynistic Animals, all except cupcake who I would have taken for a man by her disgusting vocabulary and who was trying so desperately to make me shut my ‘piehole’. How original. How about a little class?
I saved this little ditty on PDF. Truth is truth, and harassment is harassment no matter how you slice it.
So, go on. Continue your little ‘Lord of the Flies’ Routine. It is most entertaining watching a bunch of men (woman) twitter about with NO Self-Discipline.
Uh, well, Monique, saying that WE have no self-discipline when YOU can’t let go of something that has nothing to do with you is suspiciously like that big, fat pot calling the popcorn popper black.
You seem to have a desperate need to have the last word. If that is not so, then why did you start your day posting another comment? Attention seeking behavior is the act of a 4-year-old throwing a tantrum in the cereal aisle in the grocery store because Mommay won’t buy another box of Choco Crunchies to add to the five on the shelf at home.
You haven’t answered my question, which I asked twice, and it’s high time you did: Who the hell are you calling ‘you men’?
Are you poking the bear for attention, or is this simply your disdainful view of all vets, that we’re all men, when we aren’t?
You’re the only person showing a lack of self-discipline, Tootsie. I think it’s time you backed off right now.
You can go sit on your attitude and rotate.
This is way past getting a last word, sorry to tell you. If John wants to boot and block me that is his prerogative. The reasons I came to tell the other side of the story is clear. Sorry if you cannot read. Sorry if the truth hurts and sorry again for those tripping over their dicks (not you cupcake as you claim to not have a dick) to try and impress Sgt. Major Archie that they support him enough to trash a man without ALLLL of the truth.
And for me to answer your question, I would have to care about you enough to do so. Which is really not the case. I believe it is you who are trying to impress here. Not me. As you can see, I have no friends here. But if ya’ll are gonna talk smack about someone, don’t cry when they come back to set you straight. Seems you don’t like that, do ya Cupcake. You like to talk smack with all of your buddies and act like you won a medal for it. You are sad, Cupcake. No self-Discipline.
No self-discipline?? Moi? Really? (Falls down laughing.)
I think you’re just spoiling for some kind of bitch-slapping contest. And you seem to have missed the point of the original story, which is about Arguello and his ridiculous behavior.
You’re turning this entire column into you-you-you. Please go pick your fight with the person you see in the mirror.
You support Arguello’s message about the Bergdahl exchange. Fine. That’s crystal clear.
Most of the readers here, I believe, agree with Arguello’s underlying message about Bergdahl. What most of us disagree with – in many cases vehemently – is Arguello’s manner of delivering his message. In particular, his attempting to enhance his credibility by protesting while wearing Drill Instructor headgear, which he had no business wearing because he’d been removed from the job and demoted.
Opinions are mixed about the Sergeant Major. Some are fully supportive of him. Others, while sympathetic to him, admit that he should not have lost control of himself the way he did.
All of these positions were made crystal clear yesterday. Your returning to the thread today, stating the same things over and over, adding nothing to the discussion except perhaps a few new insults, appears to be nothing more than what many others have accused you of already: an insatiable need to have the last word.
And I fully expect you to deny it, at great length.
Yeah, you’re the one who is resistant to the truth, dear. You don’t care that veterans see this issue differently than you see it. You talk about “the whole truth”, but you disregard the parts of the whole truth that you don’t understand – or don’t care to understand.
John, please don’t tell me what and who I care about.
You do not know. I told you that I would not defend his MIlitary Career and I respect the fact that you would out him for anything that he is responsible for fucking up in that Military career. But you posted this story and said “Now we know the rest of the story”….when it wasn’t the rest of the story.
If you wanted to bash Ethan that is fine and your business. But I thought these pages were for telling the truth and the Entire Story. I was not aware that these pages were for telling half-truths when it suits. Maybe you should make this a Veteran Only page so that us Civilians cannot post. It appears we do not understand nor respect you enough to be able to distinguish Fact and Law from Veteran Code for right and wrong….
“But I thought these pages were for telling the truth and the Entire Story.”
Darlin’, you are completely wrong about that. These pages are for outing those who lie about their military service and for discussing topics of interest to veterans.
We really don’t care about your part of the story, because it has no bearing whatsoever on the part of the story that interests us.
Bottom line: Ethan Arguello is claiming to be something he is not (a Marine Sergeant), and he’s screwing up big time by using his rather unimpressive service to further his agenda. That’s the part of the story that concerns us. Your part of the story does not.
If you have a bone to pick with Scotty, take it somewhere else. This is not his blog.
And for the record, there are at least a half dozen of us here who are FEMALE veterans, including Ex-PH2 and myself. We’re not impressed by your hurt feelings, either.
I am sorry if you thought I was trying to impress any of you. Again, I would have to care about you to care what you think of me.
So, at least I have it straight that this page is not for Truth. I believe I got that a long time ago. But thanks for your two cents.
Reading isn’t your strong suit, I see. The truth of the matter is that the only reason Ethan is listed here is because he lied about his rank upon leaving the Marines. THAT is what this post is about. Anything else- like how good of a man he’s been since then- has precisely sick to do with that.
If the reader, myself, is confused about the intent of the writing, perhaps the intent of the article should have been made more clear. I locked onto the fact that it was posted that this was the FULL STORY. Which it was NOT the full story.
And as I have said, since you cannot read, That ya’ll are free to go after his Military Career if he committed crimes or if he has inflated himself or if you believe he is a good man. That has nothing to do with the FULL STORY.
“If the reader, myself, is confused about the intent of the writing, perhaps the intent of the article should have been made more clear.”
The intent is PERFECTLY CLEAR to those of us to whom it is directed. Again, WE DON’T CARE about your part of the “full story”.
Another “last word” from Monique in 3,… 2,… 1,…
Impress? No. Attention whore? Yes.
“I believe I got that a long time ago.”
Then why are you still here? I believe my charge of “attention whore” stands.
Actually, monique, this blog IS about the truth, which you seem to insist on ignoring.
As I said elsewhere, you insist on turning the spotlight on YOU. You appear to be spoiling for a fight. If you want that, there is a parking lot outside your building where you can pick it.
I guess your definition of truth and mine are completely different then. For truth to be told, you need the full story, not just half.
Good luck with your skewed view of the truth
which you said “And you seem to have missed the point of the original story, which is about Arguello and his ridiculous behavior.”
Behavior and Truth are two different animals.
And I only ‘spoil for a fight’ when people spew ignorance instead of intelligence in my direction. If you do not want me to comment then do not engage me, ask me questions or talk smack about me if I am not here to defend myself. That simple really.
And yet, you continue to return like some out-of-control gyro that can’t quite get its direction straight.
You must just LOVE the attention, and yes, you are spoiling for a fight.
Frankly, you have made it quite clear that you can’t handle the truth.
Well, if my intent was to ‘get attention’, you are giving me exactly what I want.
Seems you cannot help yourself from talking to me, which in the real world means I would respond. If you do not like me speaking then stop engaging me. AGAIN it is really that simple.
Then why don’t you just shut up, birdbrain?
Wow this escalated rather quickly…
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I propose that we introduce Monique Marie to Commissar. If they were to get together, they’d be so busy trying to get in the last word with each other that they’d be too busy to annoy the rest of us.
If it weren’t for the fact that the two of them would implode into a new black hole, and threaten the very existence of our Universe, I would agree with you, Mr. Bill.
I think they need their very own spot together, where they can do no harm.
Implosion? Would it make popcorn?
Yes, but we’d never get any of it. Black holes are so selfish, they swallow everything.
Darn!
The two of them ought to get their own blog.
Funny, that was my thought, too.
I think that’s a brilliant idea!
(smile)
must be that time of the month
As if that would stop you….
Red wings baybee!
Dude the crazy meter is pegged out at “psycho batshit crazy”…
Popcorn and coffee.
What will I run out of first this morning ?
Patience maybe?
I ran out of both but OS2 below has some more popcorn below 🙂
Looks like we know who Ethan Arguello is fucking now.
Patience and tough skin Brother.
The only way to survive busting POSers and Embellishers.
What exactly was her point, in the first place? I never could sort through that rambling discourse to figure it out.
You and me both, EX-PH2…
Attention whore?
But it’s OUR fault because we’re giving her all the attention she wants!
Good to know.
I was going to leave this alone, but since you think you are so smart, let’s see what others think of your ignorance.
Sorry if speaking the TRUTH means you are fucking someone.
You are so far of the mark it isn’t even funny.
But your ignorant summation of this situation is sadly humorous.
Others…woohoo….let’s get the party started.
…And it’s not Monique. Maybe if she posts one more time, maybe Ethan will start paying attention……
Has she flaunted the victim card yet?
Yeah, that was the part about “I’m a woman and you hurt my feelings.”
Truth is a relative term…particularly when it comes to sex.
The measure of a man is never absolute. Temperature and mood can often skew results.
My personal experience shows that telling the truth and frequency of sex are diametrically opposed.
It generally cums to fruition if only one of the parties involved keeps their mouth shut.
I’d warn everyone that Monique Marie’s persistence is what triggered the Teti court case, her version of the truth is all that matters and she’ll make sure other people pay for her persistence in court costs. She’s a troll and I’m hoping that she cries herself to sleep soon so I won’t have to wack her with the ban hammer.
My head is spinning Lol….
and clear copy… how Teti was ever brought in to it is beyond me
by the way I’m almost out of popcorn !!!!!!
🙂
Maybe she’s saying that Teti is responsible for Arguello’s lies.
Don’t know. Don’t care. He’s still a liar and a very bad spokesman for some very serious issues. Liars always are.
Killjoy
Do what you need to do, Jonn… tied to follow this last night and this morning and I can’t make sense of what she’s doing, other than she’s trolling to start something.
If it was me, the banhammer would have been dropped at the first mention of Teti’s name…
Can someone remind me what this article was about? I kind of lost track….my bad. By the way, anyone care for some popcorn?
Me me me ! ! ! ! ! 🙂
I’ll make more popcorn for you, if you run out.
I think that, originally, the article referred to Arguello’s actual service and how he was discharged with a loss of rank, but insists on wearing a DI hat/cover and saying he’s still a USMC Sergeant, when he’s protesting, which pisses off a LOT of Marines. Also, some senior NCO Marine named Archie had to retire from his job for headbutting Arguello.
Monique the Troll has added her babbleroiding to it, stirring the pot over nothing.
That should summarize it.
I appreciate the recap. Bottom line, do not wear stuff that you lost to support your cause, it diminishes your credibility. I feel terrible for the senior NCO that had to retire, seems to me the Marines lost an Honorable man. I was not a Marine (ex Navy & Army NG) and this pisses me off as well. Popcorn for everyone, my treat!
Yes, Monique, I’m a coward. I keep going to court and defending comments made on my blog by other people and I’m tired of it.
I was going to suggest that Monique haul her ass off to WordPress and start her own blog. But that would not give her the instant attention she wants.
Despite the instant access allowed by the internet, it still takes time to build an audience, time, patience, and dedication, as we all know quite well. I suppose a thick skin is an asset, too. If you don’t have all of those qualities, your efforts will evaporate into nothingness.
I’ve checked out a few other posts about Teti on the ‘net… she trolls real hard on some of them.
Let me boil this down:
TAH: Military background on Arguello = rest of story.
MM: Not all of story, Arguello = good man
Got it. Have gotten it for quite a while.
To quote Lt. Weinberg from “A Few Good Men”: “The rest is just smoke filled coffee-house crap.”
MM insists her point was not understood, and her intent was misunderstood, so she seems resolute on arguing her position until the end of time even though she most likely knows that she will not change hearts and minds.
Therefore, her intent appears more to do with disruption and antagonism by stating the same points over and over without adding anything new to the discussion. She may even hope to dilute the discussion with lengthy diatribes about her “feelings” of being hurt along with her attempt to assign motives to the posters in this forum.
Now, I’m all about free speech and I think it was relevant that she came forward and stated her opinion that Arguello was a good man… the FIRST time. She hints at being blocked but probably knows it is inevitable so she can then claim that her right to an opinion here was shut down.
MM has the right to her opinion here and she stated it, fine. But if she continues to post lengthy diatribes that add nothing more to the discussion then she is abusing that privilege in my opinion.
MM – why don’t you really do something useful and encourage Ethan Arguello to come forward and speak for himself on the military questions related to his service. i.e. Why does he continue to use the rank of Sgt when he left as a LCpl? Why did he feel the need to wear the DI cover when he protested? For the record, I understood his message and agreed with it, but is he willing to stipulate that his message was lost in the media diversion over the DI cover incident? Did he feel he needed that diversion to get his message to a wider audience?
To be frank, these are the questions I am interested in AND I would put forth are pertinent to this blog. Not whether your feelings were hurt as a poster. Are we going to see some productive discussion or are we going to continue to read about what you think motivates us?
Get Ethan to speak on his own behalf if you are friends. Then I will feel you have brought something worthwhile to furthering this discussion.
My two cents.
Shit-fer-Brains keeps coming on here and flapping her cock-holster about “the rest of the story”.
Apparently she is either too stupid or stubborn to go back through the archives of the blog and read the OTHER entries about Arguello when the shit hit the fan.
She keeps rehashing what was already bought out.
She didnt say a single fucking thing that wasn’t already known AND written on this blog.
We already knew the back story about the phone calls and how Archie stepped on his crank by letting Arguello bait him and ended up getting charged with assault.
She wants to get on here and act like some kind of cub reporter who has the full scoop and enlighten us cretins.
The Original Post was nothing more than letting people know the official records of Arguello. He served as an LAV Mechanic in Iraq, Made Sergeant, was a Drill Instructor and had disciplinary action was voided and seperated as a L/Cpl.
His political leanings are pretty much in line with the vast majority of us here. His intergrity isn’t.
Well put sir.
(Not to pile on, but I think the following is important):
Monique? No quarter will be given here.
I rather suspect that either Monique has “flounced”, or Jonn has banned her. Based on her posts earlier in the thread, I find it hard to believe that she would have left on her own, though.