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Is Democrat voting a vast criminal conspiracy?

by Poetrooper••82

Thomas Lifson posted a recent blog piece pointing to some voting statistics reported by the Huffington Post. The gist of the H.P. piece was that Democrat voter turnout was down hugely in those states where voter ID legislation has been enacted – a decline some 285% greater than in states with no voter ID laws, in fact. While it is of course impossible to attribute direct cause and effect with no more proof than that available to us through our own lying eyes, we conservatives who have long advocated for voter identification are entitled to share a few smug eye rolls and some muttered told-you-sos.

But the larger question is that should the statistics Lifson cites prove out through the remainder of this election year, will we then be looking at a nationwide turndown in Democrat voting in these states that have enacted voter identification laws? And will that then provide further evidence that many past campaigns in this country have most likely been determined by fraudulent voting?

If the Democrat voter turnout trend continues through the general election to be significantly lower only in those states where voter ID laws have been recently enacted, you can bet the farm the Democrat leadership will be tap-dancing all over the place to find whatever other possible explanation they can. That may be easier for them if their presidential candidate loses, for they can then blame lack of voter interest due to poor candidate performance. However, that still won’t explain away the differential in voter turnout between states with no voter ID laws, where turnout remains relatively unchanged, and those states where voter ID was recently enacted and the vote declined significantly.

What will then become evident is that the Democratic Party has been engaged in voter fraud on a broad, nationwide scale. An even more disturbing revelation that is sure to arise from all this is that the Democratic Party has most likely encouraged voter fraud in minority communities, where criminal evidence of such fraud is most commonly found. While I’m not about to contend that all voter fraud takes place in minority precincts, news stories of criminal voter fraud and the results will almost always be in those communities.

Not only do I believe that Democrats are engaged in widespread voter fraud, but I believe they are playing the minority communities, black and Hispanic, to do the heavy lifting for them in this criminal enterprise. And to my way of thinking, that constitutes a vast criminal conspiracy on the part of the Democratic Party to undermine the electoral process with millions of fraudulent votes through a callous manipulation of their controlled minorities.

Crossposted at American Thinker

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82 thoughts on “Is Democrat voting a vast criminal conspiracy?”

    1. 285%? well…thats all the dead people quit voting and all the phony registrations….its hell when the truth catches up to the phony corrupt bas-ards!!

  3. Gee whiz, the cases of Black Panther voter intimidation that were never prosecuted, inner city precincts with over 100% of their Registered Voters turning out with ALL of their votes going dhimmirat,…
    A friend of mine told me about his Uncle in Chicago who ALWAYS voted GOP until he died and he’s voted straight ticket dhimmirat since.

  4. Easy. They will point to the low voter turnout and say, “See?!?! We told you so! Those dastardly voter ID laws are keeping good people from voting!”

    1. Voter disenfranchisement in action. No one has a driver’s license or state ID who makes less than $50K a year. And it never, ever happens to poor Republicans because we all know there is no such thing on accounta cuz there is a vast right-wing conspiracy against Hillary.

  5. Seen on Facebook, as posted in 1st person (FWIW):

    So this happened today in the great state of Ohio. My significant other is a nurse that works with Alzheimer’s and dementia patients. The 35 patients in her unit have no idea who they are. You should hear some of the stories about the things they think are reality. They are bad. There’s no help. No bringing them back. Their minds are completely gone. It’s very sad but that’s another story. But today at noon, a group of people came in to have them vote in the Ohio primary (since early voting is now). Kim (my significant other) asked them how can they vote when they don’t know who they are and she was told “we help them”. “Help them how?” Was
    Greeted with no response. Of the 35 patients, only one knew who the current president was and the rest ranged from Reagan to FDR as to who they thought the president was. HR came and told her to “shut up about it already. It’s their right”. They don’t have the right to walk outside the facility but they do to vote? I smell something fishy in the state of Ohio.

  7. Gee, Wally, and here I thought all this time that it WAS piss poor candidates, their piss poor performances and their piss poor platforms that was causing piss poor voter turnouts.
    But what do I know?

    1. I don’t know about other states, but in Maryland they just ask you your name and address. If the name/address combo shows up on the rolls, you’re in like Flynn.

      1. It used to be that way in Michigan, until the law was changed to require ID to vote. Maybe that explains all of those years of G. Mennen Williams as governor and Frank Kelly as Attorney General here?

  9. We have to show ID to buy alcohol and tobacco products, but showing one for voting is such an issue? The complainers just need to STFU about it.

      1. Not just any ID for ammo here in Konnectikut. It’s a $70 ID that you can only get if you have the local gendarmes finger print you, and you wait, and you wait, and you wait, and…you…wait.
        Assuming you’re alive at the end of the bread line then you get to present it to some high school kid to make a legal purchase.
        Arn’t constitutional rights (read: NATURAL RIGHTS) fun!

  10. Care to elaborate on this “voter fraud on a broad, nationwide scale” is occurring with such apparent ease? The Washington post covered a comprehensive investigation of voter fraud found 31 credible incidents out of one billion ballots cast. That sounds pretty vast to me.

    The only way to commit voter fraud on a scale that would tip an election would be via absentee ballots. And those are monitored. Voter ID laws don’t even help that issue, all voter ID laws do is stop someone from pretending to be someone else to cast a vote. Which is very slow and clunky way to rig an election.

    “Not only do I believe that Democrats are engaged in widespread voter fraud, but I believe they are playing the minority communities, black and Hispanic, to do the heavy lifting for them in this criminal enterprise.”

    Explain how, please. If you are so sure, you must have details; cases of actual fraud on a wide spread scale. Something, anything. If you can’t, your just lying. Just seems like your already creating excuses for another Democratic landslide ala Romney 2012. We didn’t? Other other side must have cheated. Hilarious.

    Please provide some specifics, other than “

      1. Spare me. Just explain how you came to believe that there is a widespread voter fraud conspiracy. With facts. You are correlating low turn out with voting fraud. Without any facts. Anecdotal reasoning like yours doesn’t seem like something you should ranting about in public.

        1. Trying to explain anything to someone who actually believes the left-wing propaganda that there have been only 31 incidents of voter fraud out of one billion votes cast is a task best suited to the mother of a three year old.

          Or a psychiatric nurse…

          1. Poe, he has a point. You offer no proof, and the basic logic is strained.

            You are essentially asserting that since Democrat voter turnout is lower in Voter ID states, the cause must be widespread fraud because there is no other explanation.

            That is simply not true. There are a variety of other explanations- voter apathy, for one. Of course, it is always possible that voter id laws disproportionately discriminate against minorities and the poor, who happen to make up a large percentage of Democrat voters.

            Then, in your response you make another assertion without any facts to back it up, and of course you resort to ad hominem attacks, which doesn’t help your case.

            You made the post, you made the claims, now you should defend your logic

            1. Red, did you miss that question mark in the title?

              I’m advancing the existence of a voting phenomenon raised by the editor of American Thinker not doing a research paper for an academic website. My intent is to make you think about that possibility, not to substantiate it with reams of data and statistics. Others here are producing links to supporting examples. A Google search confirms there is no shortage of them. See if you can find one in which white, middle class Republicans are the perpetrators.

              I’m citing information that was initially produced by a liberal website and the numbers are theirs. If you and others choose to believe these voting numbers are merely coincidental with the passage of voter identification laws, you’re welcome to your beliefs, but please excuse the rest of us for our own belief that you folks have your heads in the sand.

              Or elsewhere…

              1. No, I caught the question mark. But, you clearly assert that the Democrats are engaged in widespread voter fraud, but you don’t offer any real evidence.

                $$ is offering an alternative explanation (I think he got his ideas from FOX news http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/09/24/voter-id-laws-target-rarely-occurring-voter-fraud.html), but who knows), and you dismiss him and imply that he needs a psychiatric nurse.

                How about addressing his point? how about defending yours?

                1. Red, you think Dollar is offering an alternative explanation? You call a citation of 31 incidents out of a billion votes a credible alternative? I call it tinfoil hat territory and thus my snarky dismissals. By the way, it’s not the first time Dollar has floated that leftist meme around here. Also, the low incidence argument in the FOX article was being advanced by a spokesman from a leftist legal advocacy center in NYC linked to New York University, not exactly an unbiased source.

                  It appears you are against voter ID laws. I’d be interested in hearing your arguments as to why Americans need identification for almost every aspect of their lives except to vote. Please enlighten the benighted here who see voter ID as being a perfectly reasonable requirement to exercise such an important act of citizenship.

                2. Red, looks like AirCav just addressed Dollar’s point rather thoroughly down below or rather demolished it for the piece of bullshit that I knew it was.

                  It also appears that you don’t understand that American Thinker, my parent site, where this article initially appeared, is a conservative “opinion” platform, not a political research site. It should be clear from the suppositional “if’s” and “will be’s” as well as “I believe’s” in my piece that it is purely my opinion.

                  Apparently only you and Dollar missed that.

                  1. You don’t get a free pass from supporting your assertions with fact and logic by claiming that they are just opinion. To the contratry, that is an invitation for criticism.

                    I actually went to American Thinker and read the bog post you refer to. It din’t really offer much more support for your premise.

                    On the other hand, you seem to dismiss outright any other plausible explanations- Dems simply don’t care about the candidates, or that Voter ID laws disproportionately discriminate against minorities, the poor, and the poorly educated. You are making a very broad and serious allegation and offer no real proof other than your opinion.

                    I also ready your rebuttal to the Doc below, in which you basicaly say you are tired of smart people showing you evidence because you would rather rely on your personal experience.

                    1. Red, I can write any damned thing I want to as my opinion as I have been doing here and elsewhere for many years and I don’t have to justify that opinion to you or the dollar doofus or any other tinfoil hatter you care to align yourself with. It’s up to the editors whether or not my opinions get posted.

                      Now, if you want to write your own rebuttal articles supported with numerous quotes and heavy footnoting to show how wrong I am, knock yourself out

                      Now, you were about to explain to us why you are against voter ID and how it unfairly discriminates against minorities?

                    2. Red, you do realize that the term “plausible” means that “It may sound good but is most likely bullshit,” don’t you?

                    3. Neither of you klownhes have a clue to what is really happening out there.
                      I lived in Wisconsin for many years and saw the buses with Illinois license plates come to Kenosha, Racine and of course the hood in Milwaukee let alone Madison.
                      Deny it all you want, the same as you deny that a baby in the womb is only a piece of tissue and can be terminated anytime the mother wants just for convenience…
                      But, the same people will tell us that fossilized bacteria from Mars is proof of life there.
                      You libs are screaming the same screed that a hog does when they realize they are in the slaughterhouse and that all that bacon stuff they ate will now be their asses…
                      Liberalism is dying because of the criminal behavior of 99% of the libs in the dipshitocrat party.
                      Deny all you want, you know it’s true…

              2. Here are a few from the GOP like you asked:

                http://www.nbc29.com/story/22627644/bassett-man-pleads-guilty-to-voter-fraud-forgery

                http://www.rawstory.com/2013/06/virginia-republican-pleads-guilty-to-dozens-of-counts-of-voter-fraud/

                http://miamiherald.typepad.com/nakedpolitics/2013/06/fdle-closes-second-voter-registration-fraud-case-involving-gop-vendor-makes-no-arrests.html

                http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/republicans-test-for-voting-fraud-wind-up-in-custody

                http://www.bradblog.com/?p=9467

                http://www.bluehogreport.com/2014/09/30/breaking-leslie-rutledges-voter-registration-canceled-candidacy-now-in-question/

                http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/02/15/john-oliver-colin-jost-michael-che-punchlines-democracy-voting/80405220/

                There’s more, but opening up so many tabs slows down my computer. So let’s not throw rocks when we all live in glass houses.

                1. Well, Doc, as someone who spent the most part of my working career dealing with doctors on a daily basis, I should know not to get into a pissing contest with one because he’ll always find a reference to refute you.

                  My own life experiences still lead me to believe that voter fraud is much more prevalent in Democrat precincts. Having lived many years in South Texas, southern New Mexico, New Orleans, etc., I know that systematic voter fraud, largely by the Democrat party, is a long established reality.

        2. Please read my post below… I was not the only one that had this issue either, there was 18 of us that I know of,, I find it odd that all of us voted democrat even though we did not vote… in fact after doing some homework a lot of deployed military votes never get counted or are contested by democrats for some odd reason… I was told by a very nice lady in Nevada where this issue happened that we where opening up a can of worms and maybe we should vote next time !!!!! LIKE WTF !!!! So does that stop voter fraud?????

        3. So, Dollar Sign, you’ve never heard of Chicago-style voting? Didn’t you know that it’s been verified that dead people vote in every election in Chicago? You don’t have to take my word for it. You can look it up yourself. Lots of voter fraud, you moron, repeated over and over, just to keep the machine politicians in office in Chicago.

          Obviously, your tunnel vision is getting in your way. See an ophthalmologist about it.

          What a maroon!

        4. “The Washington post covered a comprehensive investigation of voter fraud found 31 credible incidents out of one billion ballots cast.” (DollarSign)

          Bullshit. The Washington Post did no such thing. Blogger and reporter Christopher Ingraham cobbled together a number of research pieces on voter ID fraud (not voter fraud or election fraud generally) and concluded…nothing. The 31 incidents you misidentified as coming from the investigation that the WaPo did not conduct and which you mischaracterized are from the research of a law professor with expertise in election fraud who, in a separate guest piece for the Washington Post, wrote that he found “about 31 different incidents” of voter impersonation. His implicit concern was with the number of would-be voters who showed up but were turned away for lack of ID. He did not note whether any later returned with their ID but, much more importantly, he acknowledged that “some” number of the 3000 turned away could have been cases of attempted fraud. I would add that all of them could have been, that the 3,000 were from only four states, and that his eye-opening acknowledgment was buried at the very end of his piece.

          It really pays to read articles thoroughly, DollarSign, and not just grab headlines and pretend that you are speaking with some authority. And if you did read the articles, then you are either dishonest or suffering from a common ailment of the Left, RCD– Reading Comprehension Disorder.

    2. 31 incidents? GMAFB. Hell, there were 30+ times more illegal ballots cast than that in the 2008 Senate Election in Minnesota alone – where Al “The Felon’s Choice” Franken had enough extralegal “help” to come from about 300 votes behind at first count and win by 312 “votes”. Nearly 1100 felons have been shown to have voted unlawfully in that election – and past research indicates felons overwhelmingly don’t support GOP candidates.

      http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/york-when-1099-felons-vote-in-race-won-by-312-ballots/article/2504163

      1. Don’t forget the Washington Governor’s race recount a few years ago where the Dem won after a whole lot of ballots were “discovered” after the initial count.

        1. Yeah, when the Dims control the elections office, it’s easy to “find” votes. They’re in the trunks of cars and stuffed in closets and such. They “found” a bunch of them in Seattle that year. Funny how they never seem to “find” lost votes in other places, just in those controlled by the Dims.

          1. This just in from our old pal Uncle Joe Stalin:

            “The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything.”

        1. Nah, it’s just the most obvious recent example. The 1948 Texas Democratic Primary that gave us “Landslide Lyndon” is a better one, but it’s kinda dated. (smile)

          1. Was waiting for you to jump in on that, Hondo, about good ole “Silver Star On My Lapel” LBJ.

            THANK YOU.

            Speaking of “conspiracies”..were there not “rumors” floating around for a while that JFK and Daly “stole” the 1960 election with fraudulent voting in Illinois and Texas?

            😉

            1. Yep. WV was also mentioned among the 11 states possibly having been “secured” for JFK, if I recall correctly. Rumor was that organized crime (specifically, the Chicago “mob”) assisted the JFK campaign substantially as well.

              That said, while I am personally convinced that Nixon got jobbed in IL – Kennedy won the state by less than 9,000 votes, and received a plurality of over 300,000 in Daley’s Chicago, where a “clean” election is a freaking myth – I rather doubt he got jobbed in TX. JFK won TX by 46,000+ votes, and manufacturing that many votes would have been fairly difficult – even given Texas’ electoral history. (smile)

    3. Proof will be easy, no guesswork required.

      Check the Secretary of State’s list, statewide, of which Democrats voted in 2012, but not in 2016. Their stories will tell us whether they were suppressed, or fraudulent.

      If the MSN coverage doesn’t discuss this easily-accessed public information, you’ll know they were fraudulent.

  11. while deployed to Iraq in 2008… I voted Democrat and didn’t even know it, until I started getting all these crazy phone call in 2012 to vote for certain candidates. when I asked how they got my info they told me that I voted in 2008 for Obama and Reid and all these other fruit loop lib-tards. so yes there is voter fraud
    that’s why I find it amazing that libs are all happy with IDs to fly and for everything else. but not to vote
    LIKE SERIOUSLY W.T.F. Over

  13. I actually believe the dems problem this election cycle has far less to do with the ID laws and far more to do with distaste for their candidates.

    The dems are notorious for failing to turn out when they are uninspired, HRC has nothing to be construed as inspirational and Bernie’s appeal lies with the youth vote which generally sucks over all.

    The interesting numbers calculations for me is how many Republicans are turning out to vote for Trump….there’s been a huge increase in the raw numbers for Republicans…those in the stop Trump movement don’t even seem to understand the enthusiasm from previous non-regular voters isn’t for Rubio or Cruz. Rubio is seen as a lazy, establishment hack who would be terminated from any private sector employment for attendance reasons…and Cruz? Cruz is a fucking idiot who believes he’s on a crusade from his maker. The clowns in the stop Trump movement are actually stating they’d rather lose to HRC than to allow Trump to occupy the White House as a Republican.

    That alone should disgust Republicans overall, apparently the concept of the will of the people is lost on the Republican establishment.

    I’m no Trump fan, but I can’t believe the idiotic shit I’m hearing from that side of the aisle these days….

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    1. Why? I voted at a church yesterday, and nobody tried to proselytize. Nobody campaigned, unlike Massachusetts, where Billy Jeff Clintoon did that very thing. And, nobody tried to turn me away because I wasn’t a member. So, what’s your bitch?

    2. Where do you think polling places come from? The election commission just points ther finger and says “everyone will vote here, and since you won this you need to contribute your space?” Polling places have requirements such as parking, access, location, etc… and in most residential areas that leaves you with options a) schools and b) churches. Now, since churches should not be allowed, my bosses will be happy to provide space, rooms, access, electric and whatever…. you willing to pay the charges? Didn’t think so.

    3. Lars, Oregon uses “Vote By Mail”.

      If you are a frequent reader of TAH, then am sure you remember the case of Lafeyette Keaton.

      He stooped low when he not only submitted his ballot via mail in his own name, but also voted via mail using his deceased brother AND deceased SON’s name/identity.

      Yes, two fraudulent votes. Sounds as if that is a low number, but just imagine if (and it has been proven it has already happened) others pulled the same deceiving, despicable act.

      How desperate is one to do that so that their candidate wins an election?

  16. But the ACTUAL reason, and not this idiotic right wing bullshit conspiracy.

    The reason voting is better than 2012 but not as good as 2016 is Democrats are not that enthusiastic about Hillary. She is as establishment as they come. Even more of more of the same. Few democrats are that thrilled with her. Only Bernie is brining out a great many enthusiastic voters but not in states that have significantly below average household internet usage and access.

    Which also happen to be the generally the same states that enacted voter ID laws.

    They are also intentionally comparing 2008 and 2016. Not 2012.

    In 2008 you had a charismatic black man running for presidency as a major and viable candidate for the first time in history. It generated a great deal of energy in the democrat party. You also had a popular (among democrats) woman running as the opposition candidate for the nomination. This made for an exciting race with a great deal of issues resonating across the democratic demographic.

    We were also coming off 8 years with an evangelical simpleton republican as president, the economy was in shambles,a we were war weary, so even moderate democrats were extremely enthusiastic about a democratic president.

    I see few parallels between the two elections other than Hillary running in both.

    And Democrats are FAR FAR FAR less enthusiastic about Hillary than they were in 2008.

    1. Ah, the old Bush is an idiot meme. GWB flew fast burners in the Air Force.

      And your military job, Lars, was…

    2. An evangelical simpleton with degrees from Princeton and Harvard

      Or an atheistic simpleton with a degree from Berkley

    3. “8 years with an evangelical simpleton republican as president, the economy was in shambles”. So, we exchanged that for a moral simpleton race baiter, and you, in your idiocy, think that was a good exchange.
      The economy is being propped up, artificially, by printing money that is backed by nothing. The actual unemployment rate is north of 15%. And we have an Ear Leader who can’t even pronounce his own name, off the cuff.
      GTFOH, Larsie.

    4. Lars, you said yourself that you’re one who thinks that Sanders can fix things, I take that as a sign that you’re one of the candyassed thumbsucking booger-eaters that thought B. Hussein 0bama would actually do anything constructive.

      1. Bernie said that I can stay in the Free Shit Army if I vote for him! I want all of you to pay for all of the free stuff I want!!!

        I’M BALLS DEEP FOR BERNIE!

        I FEEL THE BERN… uh, oh… why does it hurt when I pee???

    5. Lars, know am getting into the weeds and stating the obvious when I write this, but as far as a charismactic “black”man, well, uh, could have sworn his Mother was a different race than his Father.

      Trying hard not to be a Smart-Ass or insult anyone’s intelligence, but have to admit am getting weary about hearing BHO being the first black President…and hopefully, history books will not record that to teach to future generations, because it is not true…

      Oh, wait a minute…I guess it is already being taught..my bad…

      Now if Carson had won both the Party’s selection for nominee and the Presidential race, then that is where I would accept “First Black President”.

      Please don’t ask “And your point is…” Just making a factual comment (well, IMO, a fact)..or just blathering away on something I admit has nothing to do with the Blog topic…

      1. Marine, Its been my life’s experience if you are biracial (black and white) you are considered and classified for all intensive purposes as black. Ever hear of the one drop rule? In fact, I don’t think I’ve ever actually met anyone who falls in that category who wasn’t considered black but then again what do I know…

        1. If you’re mixed-race, you’re generally considered to be of the minority race (the ‘outsiders’) wherever you are. Grow up in a place that’s predominantly black as a half-black/half-white person? You’re considered white. Grow up in a white area, or be a national figure in a largely-white America, you’re black.

          Mixed White-Chinese in the US? Chinese. Mixed White-Chinese in China? Very, very white.

          That’s been my experience, anyway.

        2. Tony180a and LC:

          Appreciate the feedback and insight.

          At the beginning of BHO first term, had discussions with friends and co-workers, some who were biracial, i.e. half black/half white, half oriental/half white, half black/half oriental on BHO being the “First”.

          The One Drop rule was discussed.

          The question amongst us was if someone that was half white/half oriental was elected President would that individual be considered the First “Oriental” (or Asian/American) President…

          In the end, we all laughed and agreed we are who we are and can be who we choose to be.

          So I was just blathering to Lars.

          Thanks again.

    6. Lars,

      So you are saying that enthusiasm for Hillary dropped in states requiring voter ID, and did not drop in states that do not require voter ID, thus explaining the big drop in voting in states with ID requirements? (Versus the absence of such a big drop in non-ID states)

      Your assertion is that fondness for Hillary is tied to a lack of ID? That seems…. odd. But it would explain much.

  17. If by “charismatic” you mean a fucking liar who never held a job in the private sector, whose disdain for the “little people” is painfully clear to Helen Keller, then yeah, you might have a point.

    And Democrat fraud goes back to Tammany Hall, if not before. Again, nothing new under the sun.

    Maybe that’s why it’s Democrats who are pissing and moaning the loudest about disenfranchisement?

  19. If its any comfort, an associate of mine located a vacant lot where 31 registered democrat voters live. And then found an abandoned auto parts store (boarded up) the following week, where there are 35 registered democrat voters. We’re not done yet, either. Yep, no voting fraud around here.

  20. But does Jack Shit know Lars? I’m surprised he hasn’t shown up yet.

    Also, you didn’t address Republic voter turnout (or is it Publican?).

  21. Let’s not forget the Houston fire that destroyed the voting machines while an investigation was going on over voter fraud.

    Because, you know, that’s not suspicious at all. Dems being investigated for fraud and the evidence gets burned to the ground

  22. Interesting. Used to have just about as many friends who identified as Dems as Reps. They all opined that Reps required about 20% more votes in any election than did the Dems just to stay even. Of course, the Dems were bragging while the Reps were complaining. They all seemed to think that was true across the country to greater and lesser degrees.

    Have been disenfranchised often enough due to deployments that in retirement I now always vote early. You do see some fascinating things by doing that – like getting to watch the Dems bringing in truckloads, and boatloads, of folks to vote. Sometimes the voters are so terribly drunk or otherwise impaired that the escorts attempt to assist them into the polling place and other creepy things. They often wear T-shirts and other things to assist the impaired to vote correctly.

    There isn’t room to itemize all the stuff I have seen with my own eyes. But, guess it didn’t happen because we are just supposed to sit back quietly and let them lie, cheat and steal elections.

    1. Not sure I agree, Tony180a.

      While neither party is spotless clean, history shows that one party has a few stains on their shoes – while the other appears to have just climbed out of a waist-deep cesspool.

      A short bit of historical research will show which is which.

      1. Voter fraud, gerrymandering districts both sides are dirty. Doesn’t matter if you pick that turd up from the republican or the democratic end you’ll still end up with shit on your hands.

        1. No argument that both have been guilty of gerrymandering in the past – and I’d say, roughly equally.

          It’s also true that both parties have been guilty of voting “shenanigans”. However, here the question is one of degree. And here, the culpability doesn’t seem comparable.

          History says that in one party’s case voter fraud is reasonably uncommon. In the other, case, well . . . .

  24. Sorry for posting down here but the thread was getting so narrow that everyone was assuming that Lars had commented.

    Poe, I don’t really care if you post your opinion or not…

    …but you did. These are your ideas, not mine. You made the assertion, and your defense of it should be a little more than ‘I’m entitled to my opinion’.

    1. reddevil: you really need to re-read the piece. And maybe re-read the definitions of “speculation”, “conditional”,and “theory” also.

      In the article above, PT is clearly speculating based on data he identifies as being incomplete, and which does not yet exist. His next to last para is clearly a conditional theory (e.g., possible explanation that may or may not be true) based on the premise that the preceding paras turn out to be true. Only the last para is pure opinion.

      In the first part of the article, PT clearly indicates that the data necessary to support his theory does not yet exist – but that some incomplete preliminary data indicates it may be true. The last two paras, in turn, offer (1) the possible explanation, contingent on future events going similarly, and (2) indicate PT’s personal beliefs concerning the matter, clearly identified as such.

      Honestly. You normally use much better logic in your comments than you did here. Asking someone to support their opinions better when they’ve already said that the necessary data won’t exist for months is absurd.

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