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Private Snuffy stuff in the real world

by Jonn Lilyea••94

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Bobo sends us a link to an NBC News story about an unnamed Prince George’s County, Maryland police officer who leaned his scary black rifle on the rear bumper of his patrol car while he changed two flat tires. Forgetting about the weapon, he drove off and left it there. Prince George’s County borders the District of Columbia, so I’m sure it will show up sooner or later, one way or another.

Deputy chief Hank Stawinski tells The Washington Post that officers are searching for the rifle. He calls it “an important piece of equipment” and says getting it back is a top priority.

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Police say the officer may be subject to discipline for failing to secure the rifle.

I’ve seen entire military bases shut down for a long period of time while hundreds of soldiers searched for a misplaced weapon. I remember a battalion on line looking for a 1911 that a medic lost during a jump over an airfield covered in 3 feet of snow in Alaska. In minus-30 degree weather. I remember spending days on line looking for an unaccounted for hand grenade on a grenade range. Maybe they should lock down Prince George’s County until someone gives it up.

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  2. Funny, if a civilian did that it would be front page news and they would have pictures of the guy doing the perp walk. But only the Police should have firearms. They know how to use them.

  3. WHY THE HOLY ACTUAL FUCK DID OCCIFER SHITHEAD FEEL THE NEED TO TAKE HIS FUCKING PATROL RIFLE OFF OF THE GUN RACK TO CHANGE HIS MOTHERFUCKING TIRE???!!!

    Seriously? You’re changing a fucking tire on a road in fucking Maryland. Why the fuck was the rifle even involved in the process? I know it’s the same state that elected O’Malley, but how actively stupid can you get? “Hey, honey, have you seen my M4? I need it to mow the lawn!”

    Please, PLEASE shoot this stupid asshole before he has a chance to breed!

    1. I was wondering the same thing. And Also, TWO flat tires. WTFO. I believe the police department may have a maint department to take care of that. Why was he/she changing the TIRES and how did he have two spares??

    2. That’s exactly the same thing that jumped out at me, TOW.

      Whiskey’s Tangled Foxtrotter.

      The only thing I can think up is that the officer had issues with tight lug-nuts so he grabbed his rifle to intimidate the lugs into compliance.

      He should have just used Occam’s Razor to punish the tire for going flat.

      1. Well, they can’t be as stupid as Boston! They just outlawed toy guns! I say of you are stupid enough to run around with a Replica stuck in your pants, “Gangsta Style” then you should face the consequences. So, Stupid is as Stupid does!

          1. I had one of those too. It was a hand-me-down from my older brother.

            Came in either automatic or semi-automatic revolver mode.

            Kept right on working even after you ran out of caps and ammo just by saying Bang-Bang-Bang as fast as you could.

            Killed off a bunch of them no good lousy stinkin injuns back then.

      1. THIS!
        I *cough* may or may not be in violation of certain MD laws concerning firearms in my travels about the state. Unless my travels include either PG or Baltimore counties.
        Then for damned sure I’m in violation.

    4. I understand the weapon’s rack in the trunk possibly covering the tire change equipment. No big deal. So what comes to my mind first, take my weapons and secure them in my vehicle, not against my fucking bumper! Guy should lose his job and if the weapon lost is used in a crime he should be held partially responsible for the outcome.

      1. Well, that sounds reasonable–removing the rifle to access the spare tire, except that the article says he had two flats, and, if that’s true, it’s a cinch he wasn’t carrying two spares. Also, if he had placed the rifle as described, when he was done with the tire changes, the very last thing he would have done was close the trunk and he would have seen the rifle. No, there is something very fishy about this story. On its face, it smells.

          1. Sparks: The way you understood it was the way it was meant to be understood–that this was a tire change and an oopsie. I suspect otherwise. This happened last month and there is zero that I can find on it since the initial reports.

              1. Oxon Hill area, eh? I understand it’s gentrified some with the creation of National Harbor, but I also understand that part of the DC metro area used to be truly a bad part of town.

              2. Notice the text of the URL above that when it is an LEO involved, it is a semi automatic rifle. If it was you or I, it would have been….

    5. Rule of thumb:

      LEO shall never change a flat! Call a tow and get the vehicle off the road.

      But what do I know …

      1. ▲▲▲ for Master Chief’s post.
        In 27 years, I only had 3 flats, and I called for the vehicle maintenace worker once, and the other two were on 3d shift, and I called for the city contracted wrecker service.
        It takes them about 4 minutes, loosen the lug nuts, lift the end of the car affected and take the wheel off, put the new one on, tighten it, lower it and finish tightening the lug nuts.
        Besides, they had the 4-way lug wrench, not the knuckle breaker the manufacturers put in the trunk.

    7. I don’t know if this is the case or not, but some departments SOP is to carry the rifle in the trunk of the vehicle. The trunk of the vehicle is also where the jacks and tools tend to be carried in vehicles. My guess is the rifle was on top of something he needed to get out of the trunk for the motorist assist. Doesn’t make it okay to leave it, but at least it might explain why the rifle was involved in vehicle maintenance and repair.

  4. I’m shocked, shocked that this weapon is still missing.

    PG county is one of the most liberal counties in the nation. Surely one of those fine, law-abiding, anti-gun PG county residents must have found that AR. They must simply be holding it temporarily for safekeeping while they figure out how to turn it in to the authorities!

    (Yes, that was sarcasm. Bigtime.)

    1. Is there any evidence that the Scary Black Rifle didn’t just run away on it’s own initiative?

      Maybe it’s living rough in the woods, subsisting on grubs and berries.

    2. The people there would faint dead away at the sight of a scary black weapon. The only ones there who know what it’s good for are criminals and I feel sure one of them has it covered in their nasty fingerprints at this moment. Of course not being very bright, as criminals are known for, I can also see it showing up in a pawn shop as, “I’d like to sell my father’s, never knew his name, old rifle, what will ya gimme for it?”

      1. I don’t know about where you live, but the pawn shops where I live get your ID and proof of residency (translate that as, “a copy of your driver’s license”) whether you are buying OR selling a firearm. And yes, they do track the serial numbers on their firearms. I don’t know where that rifle went, but I doubt it was a pawn shop.

        2. Wrapped in an old t-shirt waiting for the next illegal alien to make it inexplicably fire into an unsuspecting citizen.

      2. Or they’ll try to pawn it off as a never fired, only dropped once ARVN/NVA rifle.

        It is close to Veteran’s Day, ya know.

    3. Or he’ll do like a brain surgeon I heard about in the 24th ID during DS/DS. He was an M88 Crewman that decided to “liberate” a few AK’s and bring them Stateside. He did that by disassembling and smuggling them in his crew’s vehicle and once he got Stateside he sold one at a Gun Show to an undercover BATF Agent. I wouldn’t put it past a brain surgeon like whoever lost that rifle!

  5. That’s it, all leave is canceled and every officer will stay at the station until that rifle is found.

  6. Did they find this guy’s brain yet?

    Geezo Pete, if you’re going to make up a stupid-excuses story, come up with something better than two flat tires and ‘left it leaning’.

    I don’t buy this story. It is far too full of holes, big enough to drive an 18-wheeler through them.

  7. Hey now! Everybody cut him some slack! After all, he IS working in the People’s Republic of Maryland!

  8. I would have thought the cops would have figured out this flat tire business by now.

    Run-Flat tire technology has only been around since 1935 and a 32 ounce jug of Slime or Fix-A-Flat only costs $11.99 at any farm & ranch supply store.

    I bet they would get a discount if they bought it in case lot quantities.

  9. I remember being stood down from training to find a lost NV device, and this fart muffin drives away leaving a rifle behind? Incidentally, the Troop that lost said NODs, an E5, was an E4 before lunch the next day and the LT that was in the truck at the time had a huge “OH,SHIT!!!” stamp put in his file. I wonder if the same accountability will apply here, but I’m sure that will depend on how politically connected they are!!

    1. There is a story about a Noble Eagle deployment troop in Ft Carson doing the same thing, but there was no flat and he left his weapon leaning on the back of a Humvee. The rifle was eventually found in New York state. A civilian contractor found it, and took it home. He was caught because one of the guards at the gate remembered a civilian contractor asking questions about what type of ammo made the gun go pew pew. The federal investigators went to his house to see if he knew anything about the missing tool just as he was coming out of the house with the M16A2 and a new box of rounds. He was going to do some target shooting. I heard he got time in the Federal-pounding-in-the-ass-prison. The troops caught hell too. The one that caught it the most was the guy’s squad leader for doing a poor job at LACE report. I was issued the troop that leaned his bangstick on the vehicle. That is a whole nother story.

      1. Another case of play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Guess this guy knew nothing about M16’s and didn’t have Google? And why ask a gate guard about a weapon you stole? Duuuuumb.

    2. Ahhh, that takes me back to Basic at Fort Lost-in-the-Woods. One of my ingenious platoon mates had to take a dump and dump he did… managing to drop both trow and an M16-A1. The weapon went into a field latrine and while everyone was pretty certain it was being slowly dissolved by a mixture of chemicals, piss and worse we all had to go on extended PT lockdown until it was recovered.

      That was in ’91, but I’d wager someone is still being punished for it!

  10. One month in country our 1SG got relieved and I replaced him for the rest of the deployment and when I was doing the assumption of responsibility inventory 1 M4 was missing. Prior 1SG and the CO Cmdr swore they had physically touched all weapons so it had to be on the FOB. SupSGT swore he had touched all weapons but couldnt explain why the custody receipt was for a Soldier who never made it out of the Mob station. You guessed it, I found it in an armory at Camp Shelby after a phone call to a friend stationed there.

  11. When the 82nd was issued M16’s a bunch of civilians came and set up the M14 turn in. They took the 14, dipped it in cosmoline, wrapped it in preservative paper and stuffed it in a CONEX. Some of us suggested that they might want to check off the serial numbers. They informed us that they knew what they were doing so STFU and go color. Last rifle processed. Ooops…missing one. Which one? Time for Mr Know it All to unpack the CONEX loaded with a BN’s rifles and wipe off cosmoline. Told you so’s from our side. As luck would have it, here comes PFC Snuffy strolling down the street with a M14 at sling arms. Turns out he had been on guard duty somewhere in the Bragg hinterlands.

    2. Who had to unload the conex though? If there was any justice, it would have been the civilian contractors but knowing the Army they probably would have made the Joes do it. On a weekend.

      1. Actually no. They told us to go color and we did. I as the S4 and my W2 Property Book Officer did stay close since those were still our weapons, but we did jack shit…well, that’s a given when it comes to a CWO sweating. (I don’t mean that disparagingly…CWO’s and their ghosting skills are awesome).

          1. Other than in an aviation unit, has there ever been a sighting of a CWO at PT? Or any other shit details? I say that in admiration.

            1. I had a CW3, back when I was SGT D, that was a tactical communications wizard. Just when you’d given up hope and wanted to drop a frag in your 85B, CW3 B would show up, do everything to troubleshoot that you did, then stop and talk for 25 minutes about how his lovely Belgian wife made a quilt out of his old unit T Shirts. While he’s babbling, he’s thinking. He stops in mid story and reaches into the upconverter, plucks a module, says gimme a new one. Said module is replaced, life goes on. No CW5 could ever hold a candle to that guy, Nam Vet Aviation Warrants are a seperate category. The laws of physics say a Huey can’t carry balls that big.

              1. ^^^WORD^^^, esp re helo pilots. I had a supply and a comsec one like yours. The comsec one was the only leg in the 82nd, I think. He took so much shit (good nature) that he soldered a brass boot on jump wings where the chute would be. Wore them all the time…even once when the Asst Div CG saw them…and laughed. He got drafted to the White House Communications Agency…that good.

  12. when with the 3rd Herd at Ft. Bliss (boy, doesn’t THAT date me) some idiot on another squadron managed to lose his M16 whilst in the desert- we were ALL kept out there another three days and from then on, whenever we drew a weapon from the arms room, had to have a dummy cord tying the sling to LBE (again, dating it). Rumor had it his troop mates found something more personal to tie the original numbnuts’ weapon to.

    1. I was at Bliss in 72 when the 3rd Herd moved there from Lewis.

      How’s that for dating oneself?

      1. Predates me….’bout that time I was in college making several years’ worth of mistakes simultaneously.

  13. My turn. A few days in the pines was what it was supposed to be. It was a tad longer. An M16A1 came up missing. We were to remain there until it was found. We did and it was. The word was that weapon was miraculously found in a log–where it had been stashed.

  14. Two flat tires? Left the weapon OUT of the vehicle where anyone driving by could see it? By the trunk, it would be rather obvious when he put his tools away?

    Really fishy. I mean three day old fish market fishy.

    Or he REALLY was that dumb and someone (say, on a motorcycle) pulled up, grabbed it and skedaddled…and he’s trying the weakest cover up since the Sillary Clinton Email scandal.

  15. Yep. I think anyone who’s been in for more than a year can tell stories like that. I have two.
    One was in Hawaii, 25th Infantry Dimension was having exercises on the Big Island (PTA – Pohakaloha Training Area – I think I spelled it close to correct), and some young Sgt jumped on the back of a Deuce-&-a-half with his PRC-77 radio and COMSEC box. Unfortunately, he didn’t pay much attention to the radio on the seat, and it fell off and was dragged behind the truck by the handset cord. And he lost the attached COMSEC box. Can you say, “Big Oops”. I knew you could.
    I was 625th Maint (Commo Spt), and I was in the Company tent when the Bn Cdr went off!! I could hear him all the way across the tent and outside, through just the radio handset, no speaker attached. Yeah. That loud.
    So everybody had to walk the roads to try and find that COMSEC box. And we never did.
    But fortunately, a reservist on his way from one end of the Island, over the top, to the other side, for a Reservist weekend, found it by the side of the road and turned it in to his unit.
    I don’t think heads rolled, but I don’t think anyone got any “atta boys” either.

    Now, as for the radio, that was totaled, and is a story for another day.

      1. PTA = The Land of Lava Dogs. Chunks of lava that would chew up the leather of your boots in a day. Go to supply to exchange for a new issue pair. Lather, rinse, repeat.

    1. Never at Hohenfels.

      Did a hands across Wildflecken once and then a smaller one in the Kloster Forest at Kitzingen.

    2. CWO5, I manage to get on a TAD trip to Lejeune, and if things work out, I’ll be out your way for a week in January. Are you up for Rockin’ Baja Lobster?

      1. Damn skippy Hack!! Just hit me up on the high side with the dates in Jan or give me a call and go secure.

  18. Walking arms-length on-line across NTC looking for the .38 (in a leather holster) that fell off a Cobra after being left there prior to takeoff on a mission.

    Actually found the damn thing.

    The two pilots were mine (SMH).

  19. Lost and found weapons were almost a weekly occurrence at Camp Buehring in the fall of 2004 when the first big “surge” in Iraq was gearing up. The Marines were rotating through then (this was the big buildup before Fallujah II and everybody knew that Fallujah was going to get the hammer.) My job required me to travel between installations in Kuwait and it seemed like every week we’d get delayed either going out or coming back in because the camp was “locked down” from a lost weapon.

    At that time the Marines were required to carry their weapons with them 24/7 so the most common scenario was: Young marine goes into the port-pottie to take a dump, leans his weapon in the corner and then forgets about it after taking care of business. Most of the time the weapon was “found” before it was even reported lost. What would happen is, someone would find a weapon in the latrine, turn it in to the camp Mayor’s cell who would then contact all units with the serial number and then find out which unit it belonged to.

    I never got to see the poor souls who got called into the 1sg or SGMs office and asked “Hey, Private, where’s your weapon?” while the 1sg probably had it under his desk.

    1. It still was in 06-07 troops were leaving them all over the place. I found a lot hanging up in the $hiters and would turn them over to an ever present CSM in the smoking area. Lots of fun especially when the weapon belonged to the Air Force or USMC.

  20. 1985 Korea 1/38 inf bn sop was no slings on weapons (LTC J J Montana) as the attached FIST we also followed SOP. On night on the OP the private who drove on the chow run leaned his weapon against a tree to load mermites and then drove off. Fortunately a friendly person found it soon and we talked in code on the radio to get it returned without getting the brass riled up

    1. Ouch, that could be bad, really bad.
      He could have hit the artery and could bleed out if he didn’t know how to stop the bleeding.
      Damn, another reason to be more careful with a gun.
      You can NEVER learn too much about gun safety.

  22. I had a squad leader on the East German border who couldn’t see the value of tying his CEOI to his body despite being told to do so several times during his inspection. Well, he learned the lesson the hard way. He left the CEOI on the hood of his jeep at one of his stops along the border and neglected to secure it before leaving. I went to the spot and found boot prints in the snow that came from the East German side of the border to where the jeep had stopped and returned. Further searches turned up nothing. Of course, the E-6 squad leader lost a grade – when all of USAEUR has to change their communications-electronic operating instructions it causes a big change in the pucker factor.

    1. An on topic war story. As the BDE SigO with the 3/82nd(ABN)(SEP) in Nam, we were one of the first issued COMSEC devices. I had a hell of a time getting the leadership to take them on ops for fear of losing them in combat. I had to get the CG to state forcibly that he wanted them used and that there would be no repercussions if one was lost in combat AS LONG AS IT WAS REPORTED ASAP. That’s the main thing: without the COMSEC Key, the device is just a brick. We lost several in combat and no one was disciplined in any way. End Geeze.

  23. I remember my first field problem in Alaska. After it was over we spent 3 days hands across the LZ in -40 looking for a pair of NVGs that our supply SGT lost.

  24. On the way up to Baghdad invasion March 2003. Attached to Task Force Tarawa. We picked up 2set’s Nod’s,2 Sabers, 1 plugger/GPS and one M16A4 and we had M16A3 so we knew it wasn’t ours. We were with the Marines so every time we stopped and linked up we turned the shit over.

    We were building the bridge back into Baghdad on Diallo river. Had to fix bridge so the rest of the Task Force and coalition forces could get into and secure Baghdad April 8 th – 10 th took us 2 day’s fighting was still going on when we got up there, had a troop get wounded and had to get Med-Vac out. We made sure he got on the bird and his weapon was with him. Got to the BAS and was put an another bird to go back down to Kuwait. The BAS would not let weapon go with him. Did daily weapons count and are HQ that was back behind called asked were the weapon was we said with the troop. Long story short 4 months in and several different camp sites and FOB’s the Battalion issued a JAG Man. Tried to screw my LT, SR chief and me. The ADM dropped every thing and 3 months later we found the weapon in transit back to Pendleton,CA.

  25. Gun truck rollover, gunner injured (training) landed on the M/G mount breaking the Pig loose. Accident cleaned up, everybody loaded up and took off to meet the big bird inbound from S/E Asia.
    Someone forgot to load up the Pig before hauling ass to the airstrip. Glad I had V100 duty, poor bastard that forgot to grab the pig and secure it in his vehicle had a bad day, real bad day. lol

  26. The big birds arrival was the distracting factor I guess…it was loaded with big boom stuff.

  27. On a more serious note; Breitbart reminds us that Kate Steinle, the woman in San Francisco by the illegal alien Francisco Sanchez, was murdered with a gun missing from an ICE agent.
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/07/07/ap-source-federal-agents-gun-used-in-san-francisco-sanctuary-city-murder/
    Sanchez was a felon and had served 17 years in prison for numerous crimes but being in San Francisco he had recently been released from jail on an ICE hold by their liberal Sheriff.
    That Sheriff was recently taken out of office in an election landslide attributed to their sanctuary city policies.
    I don’t know the disposition of the original reason for the loss of the firearm but if I remember correctly I think that he lost the weapon for some stupid reason like left it in his car.
    So there are deadly consequences for losing these weapons.
    The weapons traded by oblowme in the Fast and Furious operation also have been used in lots of murders in Mexico and at least one here in the US. It was again an ICE agent Brian Terry that was the first one that got murdered by US Government firearms and now Jamie Zapata was also placed on that list.
    He was murdered while investigating the Fast and Furious operation.
    The entire mess with all of these incidents is laying directly at the feet of AG Eric Holder and the entire DOJ personnel along with odickface and killary…
    This whole administration stinks like last weeks fish left on the fencepost in the Texas Sun for the entire Fourth of July weekend.
    Liberal policies have killed more people than cancer ever has. We are talking millions and that doesn’t include the millions of babies killed by abortion.
    Read this Lars…
    Then blow it out your damn ass, stupid lib…

    1. I live and work where I’m reminded of BPA Brian Terry’s service on a daily basis. Any ass clown that wants to defend “Fast and Furious” can ask Jonn for my e mail. I dare you.

  28. Maybe we should start an accidental discharge thread. I’m guessing the board could recall some classics.

    1. I’ve cleaned up a few NDs in my time. Like a cop who thought he could carry his “safe action” (whatever the fuck that’s supposed to mean) Glock with a round in the pipe, then draw it trigger-first. He was strangely bewildered by the .40-caliber hole through his foot.

      Then there was that other MENSA applicant I’ve mentioned who blew the palm right out of his left hand and peppered his hot wife across both kneecaps with snakeshot because he was a fucking idiot. He swore up and down that the gun “just went off.” Turns out dipshit tried to strip his Springfield XD with a round in the chamber. Surprise, surprise…

    2. Another one who calls this “the board.” That’s two, including L. Taylor. And I still don’t get it. Or maybe there’s nothing to get at all.

  29. We crossed the berm (for the second time) early in the morning of the first day of the Ground War during Desert Storm. We went about 5 clicks into Iraq when our engineer attachments had to go back to Saudi Arabia because one of them had left their M203 behind.

  30. Missing E-Tool

    Platoon Sergeants often have many things on their mind at the same time. I won’t bore you with all the mundane nonsense, but suffice it to say a Lt with a working radio can be problematic. A good Com Chief knows how to fix that shit. Anyway, we are somewhere two clicks from nowhere offloading 155 rounds. Its a simple procedure, you walk up behind a 5 ton turn around and the loader lays a round on your shoulder , you grab it and hump the thing what seems to be longer than the walk into your first NJP.

    This hard charger named Paquette was offloading, he tips the round off the truck about the same time a LCpl Gatlin on the receiving end of things, bent over to tie his boot. Off the back of the truck it goes and splits open Gatlin’s brain housing group. No damage to the round but what little sense Gatlin had is now somewhere two clicks from nowhere.

    The Lt gets to talk on the radio so he is all excited. The little birdie flies in takes a senseless Gatlin off and leaves the better part of him to dry out in the sand. I get Paquette to bring his E-Tool and walk him quietly with situational awareness deployed so I don’t hurt his feelings.

    About a 100 meters out I tell him since he is intent on killing everyone he might want to dig a place to put everyone when he is done. So I told him that if he didn’t mind, to please start digging and I would encourage him from time to time.

    Time flies when you are busy keeping a Lt from killing his own career. So I was distracted for a little while and forgot about Paquette and his E-Tool. It was only about eight hours later when the word came down we were going to displace. His section chief come running up to tell me we are missing an E-tool. I most certainly would have left that E-Tool right where it was, I had totally forgotten about it.

    We go to retrieve the E-Tool and find Paquette still attached to it. He had dug a hole big enough to hide a 5 Ton truck. Really, a whole 5 Ton. Nothing was visible except the tip of that E-tool as he was still pitching sand out of my hole. If either one of them ever read this they can give thanks to a Marine named Stasko for stuffing what little sense Gatlin had back into his head. That 155 round made its way downrange just fine and no E-Tools were harmed in the process.

    Keep track of your gear, there may be a Marine attached to it.

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