Obama wants a tax cut and the Republicans are willing to give him one…if he helps them give a green flag to the construction of an oil pipeline from Canada to Texas, the Keystone pipeline. Republicans say that the pipeline will provide jobs for at least 20,000 Americans across the country.
The Obama Administration, however has threatened to veto any bi=partisan approval of the pipeline. In a link from Fox News, they quote the Democrats;
“It’s a non-starter,” House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi said.
Her top deputy, Rep. Steny Hoyer, D-Md., urged Republicans to “reconsider” the Keystone language.
White House Press Secretary Jay Carney warned Republicans not to include “extraneous attachments” in the bill.
“Whatever happened to Republicans being for tax cuts?” Carney asked. “Is it because this one goes to 160 million Americans, middle-class working Americans, that they’re ambivalent or they’re willing to oppose it if they don’t get some political scalp? Is it because President Obama supports it, or Democrats support it?”
In his 1979 “Malaise Speech” Jimmy Carter, when he announced the establishment of the Energy Department, promised;
To make absolutely certain that nothing stands in the way of achieving these goals, I will urge Congress to create an energy mobilization board which, like the War Production Board in World War II, will have the responsibility and authority to cut through the redtape, the delays, and the endless roadblocks to completing key energy projects.
We will protect our environment. But when this Nation critically needs a refinery or a pipeline, we will build it.
The emphasis is mine. If they won’t bother to build this pipeline, like they haven’t built a single refinery since that speech, what will Democrats do to put Americans back to work and relieve our dependency on Middle East oil (another broken promise from Jimmy Carter in that speech). And what, exactly, is the purpose of the Energy Department if they just block energy production in this hemisphere?
Yeah, th Obama Administration wants to make it sound like a tax cut issue, but obviously Republicans are committed to help Americans find work. So what does Obama have against increasing the ranks of the employed, and the tax money that the government would get as a result?
Oh, it gets even better, Jonn. We’re EXPORTING record amounts of gasoline, to the point we’ll be a NET exporter of gas for the first time since the late 1940’s.
http://money.cnn.com/2011/12/05/news/economy/gasoline_export/index.htm
Yet the average price of a gallon of gasoline is over $3.29/gal this morning. It’s been above $3/gal for nearly a year now. Consider that when the Dems railed against the “record high gas prices” in 2008, gas prices were above $3/gal for about five months. Of course, it is the stated goal of this administration and its supporters to drive energy costs “through the roof”, as they’ve said time and again.
1/20/13. The day the recovery begins, or we start the death spiral.
It’s not that he hates jobs – he hates anything that makes Americans independent from the ruling elite.
“So, if someone wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can. It’s just that it will bankrupt them….” –Barack Hussein Obama, II.
Many of those who vote for him next November will do so because he is somewhat Black. Others will do so because he is a fellow traveler or because he promises their best chances to receive money and services for doing nothing. The rest of us need to stop this SOB and stop quibbling over the petty stuff. He meant to reshape America. He has been doing just that. He needs to be stopped.
“Under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket”… Barack Hussein Obama.
So, if people want to pay double what the price of gas is today, and double, or more, what their electric bill is, by all means, vote for Obama.
“The rest of us need to stop this SOB and stop quibbling over the petty stuff. He meant to reshape America. He has been doing just that. He needs to be stopped”. Couldn’t have put it better, AirCav.
Like many Americans who give a damn about utterly trashing the environment, I desperately hope the pipeline never gets built. Go to Google Images and search for “Alberta tar sands”. A catastrophe. Makes no-mans land at the Battle of the Somme look like a garden. To borrow a line from you guys, if you like it so much why don’t you move up there? The few jobs that might be created are not even close to being worth the cost.
Hey, shit for brains, little newsflash for ya:
Google “Blacksmith Society” or “World’s worst polluted cities”.
Note how many of them are in the United States (hint: none.) Note how many of them are in fact in China, India, South America, and Africa.
http://www.worstpolluted.org/files/FileUpload/files/2011/Worlds-Worst-Toxic-Pollution-Problems-2011-Report.pdf
Page 7, shit for brains.
I’ll even go one better, numbnuts:
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/224509/20111004/world-s-worst-cities-for-air-pollution-who-report-ahwaz-iran-pakistan-india-canada.htm
In better news, WHO’s list also recognizes the city with the least pollution; the Canadian city of Whitehorse, Yukon wins that award. What’s more, nine of the ten cities with the cleanest atmosphere are in Canada; the other is Farmington in New Mexico, U.S.
I’ll give you a hint what lies about 15 miles west of Farmington, since I went to high school there: it’s called Four Corners Power Plant–a COAL POWER PLANT, run by APSC. Farmington is also referred to as, “The Energy Capital of the Southwest” for the many oil fields, etc., in the area.
Now please go play in traffic.
Forget the most polluted cities – what’s that got to do with it? You’re a NIMBY – you would never live within 100 miles of a pit like Fort McMurray but your more than willing to trash their landscape and environment to fill your tank. Hope the pipeline never gets built. A boondoggle and a disaster.
Yeah, great example. That Farmington plant has been causing major air pollution in the 4-corners area for years, may get the area red flagged by the EPA for too much ozone. Farmington is upwind of the plant. That plant has caused innumerable respiratory problems and even premature deaths, the Navajo’s have born the brunt of the pollution. It’s put a gray haze over the entire region, now tourists visiting Mesa Verde complain about the reduced visibility.
There’s gotta be a way to reduce Joe’s visibility. Can we fit him with a burka? That’s what we are funding with the purchase of Arab oil: covered women, genital mutilations, amputations, stonings and other islamic niceties. Canadian oil, and they have enough for our needs, sends our money to our civilized brothers to the North. And it will produce more jobs for us than importing unethical islamic oil.
I also wonder if my foot up Pelosi’s ass would be considered an “extraneous attachment”?
Joe–let me say that again…I FUCKING LIVED THERE. I know what fucking way the wind blows. You’re full of shit. Yeah, alcoholism and diabetes from shitty diet never caused the Navajos to die early, now did it?
You’re a NIMBY – you would never live within 100 miles of a pit like Fort McMurray but your more than willing to trash their landscape and environment to fill your tank.
Again, go die in a fucking fire. I lived in damn near the shadow of Four Corners. I work in a nuclear power plant. I’ve worked at Black Thunder Coal Mine in Wyoming (Gillette.) Don’t tell me about NIMBY, you self-righteous prick. Don’t like the plants? Go pull your meter off your house. Don’t like refineries or pipelines? Park your car and melt the fucking keys.
Air pollution from coal-fired power plants near Farmington not a problem? Guess again:
http://www.sanjuancitizens.org/air/ozone.shtml
http://forgottennavajopeople.org/blog/tag/farmington/
Oh goody, he links to an environmental group. Nope, no agenda there.
Lemme guess, now you’re going to protest where I work by linking to the Clamshell Alliance? How fucking weak can you get?
San Juan Citizens? Come on, Joey, they’re nothing but global warming enablers. They want no drilling, no natural gas, no oil drilling. Their mission? “San Juan Citizens Alliance is a grassroots organization whose focus is on social, economic, and environmental justice in the San Juan Basin of New Mexico and Colorado”. So, they’re more in line with the Occutards than anyone else. Social justice? Economic justice? You beclown yourself every time you post.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=San_Juan_Citizens_Alliance
I think Sparky hit it out of the ball park, rip your meter off of your house, park your car and melt the keys.
Or, are you going to tell us that wind and solar will supply all of our energy needs?
http://www.lungusa.org/assets/documents/publications/state-of-the-air/SOTA02_FULL.pdf
Page 11, shit for brains. San Juan County ain’t even the worst for ozone in the state, let alone anywhere else. Look at the weighted averages, then STFU.
And an 85 ppb concentration? Spare me.
Joe, while Sparky was a bit harsh, he’s correct. Most of what makes your life sustainable in the modern age comes from heavy industry: Mining, drilling, logging. And further, those industries support agriculture, medicine, communication, and transportation. Care to discuss the end-to-end of the textile industry? You know, where you get clothes and furnishings for your house, car, and office? Do you know how many valuable minerals and metals go into advanced medical equipment?
Point being: squashing these industries will do us no good. Advancing their development and use while monitoring and minimizing their impacts on the environment is what we need to be doing.
Who said anything about squashing those industries. I just want them to have some oversight, be environmentally and socially responsible, and have some oversight. Will it cost a little more? Sure. I’m willing to pay it. I will say Sparky is pretty cavalier about Colorado’s air quality. It’s like it’s fine with him if our air becomes as dirty as some metropolitan area.
“Who said anything about squashing those industries.” said Joey. After he says “I desperately hope the pipeline never gets built.”
Sounds like squashing to me.
When this nation critically needs a refinery or a pipeline, we will build it.
Well, guess what, boys and girls, according to our Elitist Libturd masters, we must not critically meed it right now,, as we, the thinking people of the US haven’t had an oil refinery or major pipeline built in over 40 years.
So, my Libturd masters, please define for me, in simple words of one syllable or less, with facts, not feelings, how we will know when we have met this critical need, so that we may have jobs building this new refinery and pipeline.
Thank you.
May I genuflect and pull a forelock of my hair?
/snark off
Facts? Oh noooooooo! Facts have no place in Joe’s arguements.
Joe, all those industries have more oversight than we can really afford. In fact even the overseers have overseers. I would posit that if there is a problem with the regulatory machinery (so to speak) it lies with the people who are supposed to be watching over such things. They are fat asses that draw a comfy paycheck, and really only give a crap when someone forces them to do work (or they think of a way to stick it to the man and get happy about that)
Joe we need energy and we need it now. And Obama is not cutting the mustard.
To me, it’s as much about the source of the petroleum, the Alberta tar sands, as it is about the pipeline itself. Again, search Google Images for “Alberta tar sands” and you’ll see why I am against building a pipeline that will expand the environmental disaster presently occurring up there.
If our crude usage were so bad, Joe; why weren’t your ancestors all up in arms and shit protesting the extinction of those neat Dinosaurs n other things that supply us with said crude.
Oversight? By whom? The gummint? What in hell do they know that the drillers don’t? Name one good thing that Gummint knows better about than the private sector?
Geezus, in all the time that I have read you commenting here, never have I seen a good common sense solution to anything.
I suppose that you would have us believe that a Prius type vehicle is better for the environment.
As Sparky says: “Go pull your meter off your house. Don’t like refineries or pipelines? Park your car and melt the fucking keys.”
Yeah cause lithium mining does no damage to the enviornment…or does it just have better PR? Pictures do little without understanding what I am looking at so googling images that someone says are bad doesn’t really mean anything to me. If there is something like this to be done I would rather it be done in the US or Canada because at least we give a shit enough to minimize the the damage done. Do you think China gives a shit? Hell they just displaced millions flooded three gorges and built a dam over a dangerous fault line putting in danger tens of millions to build “clean” energy.
And, lithium is so safe, that Obama and his guys are abandoning the Chevy Firetrap, er Volt. Yeah, what does the burning of lithium release, Joey?
And, like Jason says, I’d rather the money I spend on gas go North than East. I’m reasonably sure that the Canucks won’t send homicide bombers in return.
You know Joe, you ought to have gone to Iraq sometime. There are places where oil is literally bubbling up in creeks. I have a picture of a freshwater stream that somehow caught fire, and burned for months. Here’s the best part: IT WAS NATURALLY OCCURRING
Now I don’t mean to lecture you but you obviously fail to realize that the “environment” is amazingly resilient. Remember the Exon Valdeze? Less than a few moths later, wild life recovered. would you believe that even Chernobyl is recovering? Most amazingly they’ve found bacteria that actually EATS radioactive material (and thus reduces half life) so Joe, yes I care about bunnies and moss and shit, but I also know that Environmentalists are retards.
I’m a Conservationist. There is a difference.
Oh, I’m willing to bet that Joe’s head would explode when he found out that nearly 1/2 of oil spill sources are NATURAL–meaning that no human had a hand in it. You know, oil seeping through the earth’s crust onto land or under water.
Oh, the humanity!!!
And Joe? Look at some of the “sources” for the pictures you direct us to. In the words of the late Jason Lee, “Try harder. Try again.”