Someone we know was at a formal function last month and witnessed this fellow, George Manos, wearing the uniform of an Army Ranger/Special Forces major when he had argument with another fellow in uniform about which of them was and which wasn’t a legitimate member of the military. So, our friend decided to settle the argument and sent us some information about George. An initial scan of the internet turned up quite a few claims of military service;
There is no record of him in AKO, though.
So, we asked the National Personnel Records Center, and they replied “Who?”;
The “limited information” that we provided the NPRC for their search was his social security number. So, the bottom line is that he may have been in the New York National Guard, but he’s never been on Federal Service – he has never deployed, nor has he attended Ranger or Special Forces training, because any of those events would have triggered a record at NPRC.
On edit: My mistake, he wasn’t in the NYNG, he was in the New York Guard, from their website;
The present 88th Brigade, New York Guard has its origins in the New York State Militia Law of 1847. This act completely reorganized the deeply resented and widely evaded enrolled militia which had existed since Dutch times. While a universal obligation to serve was maintained, mandatory service was abolished and a voluntary militia system was created.
So the good major here was doing a Dennis Chevalier conflating his “military service” with militia service. That’s why we got a “no service” FOIA – he has no military service.
Some more pictures. Thanks, “Mighty THOR”;
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147 responses to “George J. Manos; T-H-O-R Executive phony services”
What the hell is that around his neck? a rosary? Whatever it is, it doesn’t belong in the mess dress uniform.
In Manos’ fevered imagination, perhaps a Victoria Cross … for all that Secret Squirrel stuff he did for the UK?
What he’s wearing is referred to as a Jewel, and is worn by some of the older men’s Christian associations. I’m only familiar with the Knights of Columbus, and it doesn’t appear to be that. Perhaps Knights of Malta, but the cross isn’t the right shape for that either, I don’t think. But something along those lines, anyway.
This guy’s fulla shyte. Notwithstanding his written profile, the neck “Order” he wears is neither the “Cavaliere (Knight), Malta” (the Order’s full name is Sovereign Military Hospitaller Order of Saint John of Jerusalem of Rhodes and of Malta aka “Knights of Malta”), nor is it the Sacred Military Constantinian Order of Saint George.
THESE “AWARDS” ARE NOT PAPAL APPOINTMENTS!
Papal Orders of Knighthood are:
1. Supreme Order of Christ
2. Order of the Golden Spur
3. Order of Pius IX
4. Order of St. Gregory the Great
5. Order of St. Sylvester Pope and Martyr
Only two Orders of Knighthood come under the protection of the Pope:
1. Equestrian Order of the Holy Sepulchre of Jerusalem (Grandmaster is always a cardinal appointed by the Pope)
2. SMOM (Order of Malta; Knights of St. John)
The bling looks like the badge of some soi dissant “chivalric” fraternity trying to mimic the real Orders of St. John and the Constantinian Order. Actually, it looks like a rip-off of an older, now-defunct, “Imperial and Sovereign Order of St. Constantine the Great”:
http://www.medal-medaille.com/sold/product_info.php?cPath=36&products_id=3991&osCsid=s4fq42kdp8n4jh3cm7rnsgbbf2
Our poseur’s badge has a “Latin cross bottony” [latin cross = bottom arm is longer] instead of a “cross bottony” [equilatral arms].
HQ is in ….. Florida:
http://www.new-byzantium.org/Ordr.Lgbl.Txt.html
He kinda looks like an orange Garry Shandling? But Shandling’s with the Tribe, so he wouldn’t be rocking a mail-order cross.
OMG! He DOES look like Garry Shandling!
LOL!
“this is the theme to The George Manos Show, the opening theme to The George Manos Show….”
Is he heading up the New York branch of All Points Logistics?
I like this guy, George J. Manos.
A true quiet professional. So quiet that the NPRC doesn’t know who he is.
http://thetruthaboutsocnetlies.wordpress.com/2012/02/23/john-giduck-was-not-special-forces-to-the-eugene-oregon-police/
I keep much the same low profile with my own security company, Archangel Group…except when I don’t.
sincerely
John “Faker 6” Giduck
He looks like one of the porters at the Palmer House Hotel in Chicago… except their uniforms don’t allow personal jewelry.
Should I tip him if he holds the door for me?
So a drunk staggers up to a man in uniform in front of a NYC hotel:
Drunk: Hail me a cab, my good man (hic).
MIU: Sir, I’ll have you know I’m an Admiral in the United States Navy.
Drunk: (hic) Okay, hail me a battleship.
Sheesh. Figures. Navy guy can’t even figure out how to get a cab in NYC! (smile)
Is that Major Dracula?
The Knightly Order of St George doesn’t have a papal appointment either. It is given out to the Armor community by the Armor and Cavalry Association.
Hey, at least Dracula kicked some Ottoman ass back in the day. This fraud reminds me of this fine fellow:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swkn63eJZ2g
One, one Phony…
AH AH AH!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xunXQPEcoHM
LMAO!
Me too!!!!
Blaaahhhh!
That Count is a horny bastard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AXPnH0C9UA
The original Knightly Order of Saint George was and is a Roman Catholic religious order. IIRC, the Episcopal Church has a Order of Saint George also.
It has been a House Order since its inception ca 1545. Today three cousins claim Headmastership:
1. Prince Carlo, Duke of Castro
2. Infante Carlos of Spain, Duke of Calabria [this branch has a stronger legal claim]
3. Prince Carlos, Duke of Parma
Hmmmm… it seems since Jan 2014 the Houses have mended fences and recognize each other’s authority to invest membership into the Order.
Although each House had cardinal protectors for the Order, the Holy See does not recognize it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_Military_Constantinian_Order_of_Saint_George
I’m aware of that, but as he was listing them with his military service I assumed (perhaps incorrectly) that he was speaking of the military order
His bio said he speaks many tongues….around my balls!!!
Shitbag!
That “fake bake” he supports points to that as well.
Dammit, Master Guns, can you post a spew alert?
Well he does say he knows Greek!!
USMC Master Guns are always so eloquent!
Well, he says he got a ‘legend of the village’ award so I guess he was really damn popular with the Village People.
Probably got the award for not spilling a drop.
George J. Manos, fraud.
Has a nice ring to it.
Don’t you think so “Major” Manos?
More like Major Un-Manos.
So would this be an instance where the individual attempted to or maybe did profit from his blatent lies, and can be charged?
He does look like he could be a towel boy in an upscale gay bath house.
Tank: I agree. The “Gay” is strong in this one.
Bedwetter, too.
I’m guessing that the thing around his neck is from the Order of Malta. The web site is in Italian, and my Italian is beyond limited, so, if one of you polyglots want to take a hack at it and see if he is in there anywhere, the URL is http://knightofmalta.org/.
Also, I have some friends in low places in the NYARNG. I’ll see if anyone knows asshat.
Scroll to the bottom of the page. You’ll find a button for the english page.
No, not the Order of Malta. There are three recognized Orders of St. John [“Malta”]:
1. Sovereign Military Order of Malta whose official style is Sovereign Military Hospitaller Order of Saint John of Jerusalem of Rhodes and of Malta (aka “Knights of Malta”) [Catholic]. This is the “Mother” Order from which the Protestant Orders descend.
2. Johanitterorden [Lutheran]: Germany, Netherlands, Sweden, Finland, France, Hungary.
3. Most Venerable Order of the Hospital of Saint John of Jerusalem [Ecumenical]: UK. The head of the Order is HM Elizabeth II
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4. Then, there are the fake, so-called “Orders of St. John/Malta” that mimic the above three.
I just re-read the bio that was posted. It looks like George is (was) a member of the 1102 Forward Medical Support Detachment, NYG, not the New York Army National Guard. So, this guy is yet another version of Heavy Chevy.
For your reading entertainment, the 1102 FMSD web site is: http://www.88ny.net/1102.htm
Seems he left some tracks. I think if he’s in New Orleans, we should stop by and have some Gumbo.
http://www.bizapedia.com/la/THOR-EXECUTIVE-SECURITY-TEAMS-LLC.html
http://www.anniewatt.com/Events-2014/October-10-2014-2014-SSMAC/i-7C3w96Q
The photographer site says “The Posing Expert” LOL.
*Picture clearly shows Airborne Tab, Ranger Tab, and Federal Ribbons.
Thanks for the link to the photos. There are a few others in the crowd that I certainly have questions about, like this one: http://www.anniewatt.com/Events-2014/October-10-2014-2014-SSMAC/i-vGvHZPP
It looks like he hasn’t served overseas since Vietnam, but somehow managed to be awarded a CAB. Also, he’s wearing an 82nd combat patch, but no airborne. I know that there are slews of soldiers wearing 82nd combat patches now who have never stepped foot on Ft. Bragg, but, as I recall, everyone who served with the 82in in Vietnam were all paratroopers.
Getting a CAB w/o deploying since 9/11 would indeed be quite the trick. The CAB was NOT made retroactive to conflicts prior to 18 September 2001.
Don’t think so, Mark L. – the unofficial “Combat Artillery Badge” (never authorized) had a red background in place of the CIB’s blue, but was otherwise very similar. Don’t see that here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Combatartillerybadge.gif
What Bobo was probably referring to with the Airborne reference is the fact that the guy sporting the 82nd combat patch is NOT wearing any jump wings. The “Airborne” tab above the patch is part of the unit insignia, not a qual badge.
Bobo said “…but, as I recall, everyone who served with the 82in in Vietnam were all paratroopers.”
I was in the 3/82nd (ABN)(SEP) after Tet. I’m very sure that all that deployed with the BDE from Bragg after Tet were jump qualified. I’m pretty sure that there were leg replacements because we rotated many of the originals back to Bragg because many had been in the 1/101 (ABN)(SEP) in VN months before Tet.
I can’t see it clearly, but It looks like it might be the Combat Medic Badge, which I believe (perhaps mistaken) was around back then, although with the infantry crossed rifles on the uniform, that would be quite the trick to get.
I also think it is the CMB he’s wearing. And you’re right about the CMB being around then. It was created in January 1945.
EFMB was created in June 1965.
Where did he get the Ranger tab? Airborne tab? Ribbons? C’mon THOR?!
Unfortunately, the 3 medals I can make out (ARCOM, AAM, and HSM) can also be awarded by ARNG organizations. They’re not definitive indicators of Federal military service.
The Ranger and SF Tabs almost certainly would be (he looks to young to have gone thru one of the old RC SF “qual in pieces” courses, AKA the “paper flash”). But I don’t see those on his Dress Blues in that photo.
The state militia is not the Army national guard and I have never seen federal ribbons awarded for it but let’s accept that for the purpose of argument.
Go off this picture “The Poser” eh hem:
http://www.anniewatt.com/Events-2014/October-10-2014-2014-SSMAC/i-7C3w96Q
Where did he get his damn airborne wings? Guess that was the NY militia.
Where did he get his ranger tab? Guess that was the NY militia.
And where did he get his damn experience as a US Army officer who was a ranger (read his bio).
Bottom line he is a faker and using it in his bio!
OK, got it now (missed the miniatures due to poor contrast between the badges and the purple lapel).
Yeah, the SF tab would be hard to explain – pretty sure that training is Federal and is 17+ weeks, which is certainly long enough to require a DD214 on completion. Not sure about the others – Federal service of <120 days doesn't technically require a DD214, so it might not generate a Federal military record. If he did those other schools one at a time, the others might not do it – all the others are less than 60 days.
In any cas: I'd certainly be interested as hell in hearing an explanation of how he managed to get the NY State Guard (as opposed to the NY ARNG) to send him to any of those schools.
There must be a way to call Ranger and Airborne school to verify attendance. I see the Ranger tab to right of his airborne wings.
Actually, I believe you have to file a FOIA to do that – unless you know someone there who’s willing to give you an unofficial answer and has the time (and is willing to do the search on their own time). Without a class number, I understand that’s kinda hard, as it requires a manual search.
I don’t know anyone there. Perhaps one of our readers does?
Hondo,
I spent a little over 20 years between the SCARNG and the USAFR. I don’t know about the 120 day rule, but everything I’ve done that was in excess of 30 days generated a DD214. Once you hit the 31 day mark on orders you are considered “on active duty” and you are eligible for AD benefits such as health care, pay on the 1st and 15th, etc. every school I went to generated a DD214 if the school was in excess of 30 days even if it was less than 120. When the AF was still doing 90 day rotations those tours generated 214’s also even though the majority of them ended somewhere around the 100 day mark with accrued leave.
Here is a picture from 2006. I don’t see airborne wings, ranger tab, or active duty ribbons (ARCOM, AAM, HUM SERVICE). His uniform clearly is NY Militia. No evidence of active duty time which would mean no airborne school, ranger school, and likely ribbons.
http://www.imagesofsociety.com/webready_uso12706/ppages/ppage70.htm
Hmm. So that means he had to have gone to all those schools since 2006 – or is lying through his teeth.
Wonder which it is? (smile)
Hell … that looks like the COMBAT Medical Badge atop the Jump Wings and Ranger Tab.
Am I seeing things?
Don’t think it is, rgr1480 – wings are poking above the wreath, and the wreath has a large gap vice being nearly closed at the top.
I can’t place that one, but I don’t think it’s a CMB variant.
It’s whatever he is wearing in this state militia uniform likely; a mini version of that award.
http://www.imagesofsociety.com/webready_uso12706/ppages/ppage70.htm
Nice that takes precedence over his airborne wings and ranger tab, and federal awards, from the Army service there is no proof for.
Believe we’re talking about two different ones. The one rgr1480 is talking about is definitely a CMB (we were looking at two different photos). That at one isn’t, and I’ll be damned if I know what it is.
Nice. I see that he added his federal awards sometime after 2006. The NYG also has badges for comms and radiological personnel, but they don’t incorporate the giant bird. There is also a “Search & Rescue” tab that the NYG awards. Is it possible that he’s wearing that and not a Ranger or SF tab on his costume?
I have a hard time believing the NY Guard manufactures tabs for mess dress uniforms. However, let’s forget that for a minute. The tab seems too short to be Search and Rescue tab on a mess uniform. Search and Rescue would be about the same size as SF tab which is larger.
And the airborne wings?
Bobo,
Also in his bio, given to the Bulgarians for “THOR Executive Security” he claims to be a former Army Ranger. I kind of have a hard time believing he would wear a search and rescue tab, as opposed to his earned Ranger tab. Again, also have a hard time beleiving the NY militia makes search and rescue tabs for dress uniforms and also such a tab would be much longer than the Ranger tab. The size and color here match the ranger tab; i.e. the Ranger stuff that is in his bio.
I just took a screen-shot and enhanced the badge. It looks like a Combat Medical Badge to me.
http://i1024.photobucket.com/albums/y306/rgr1480/Fake_zpsad033a07.jpg
Plus, the photo you linked to he’s wearing Medical Service Corps insignia.
That one is.
Thought you were talking about the 2006 photo here, since it was the most recently-posted one (and was just slightly above your comment):
http://www.imagesofsociety.com/webready_uso12706/ppages/ppage70.htm
Rgr is right. The mess dress uniform (2014 picture) has the CMB on it. Dang. So where’s the combat in his ribbons? No Iraq campaign, no Afghan campaign, no GWOT medals to go with it.
It looks like the medal on the end of the rack is from the Order of Lafayette, a fraternal organization. Also, I’m not sure that there is a wreath around the badge. Could it be an EFMB?
Does a military member wear fraternal orders on a mess dress uniform?
Where did his federal awards come from since 2006? Maybe he earned them but NPC has nothing on him.
Also would like to know about his ranger tab and airborne wings. NPC has no record of him. What gives? Airborne school in the NY militia. I don’t think so.
Bobo, I put images of the CMB and EFMB side-by-side and compared them against the badge being worn by our Phaker. It looks more like a CMB because of the extra stuff below the stretcher and caduceus staff.
Bobo sez:
“…It looks like the medal on the end of the rack is from the Order of Lafayette,…”
Good eye!! It looks like it to me as well
http://www.orderoflafayette.org/#!membership/ck0q
So in addition to being a lineal descendant of one who served in France in WWI or WWII, bilateral US-French combat ops can qualify a person.
Still … it’s not as exclusive as is the Order of the Cincinnati (whose first elected president was General George Washington) — and whose badge CAN be worn on a uniform as long as you are at a private function.
Authorization to wear a military society badge in uniform.
I cannot find this in AR 670-1. HOWEVER, it is covered by
10 U.S.C. §1123
Still in effect as of January 2011
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/granule/USCODE-2010-title10/USCODE-2010-title10-subtitleA-partII-chap57-sec1123
Do you have an answer for his ranger tab and airborne wings? Federal awards? Because NPRC has nothing on him.
My bad – since 2009, the general requirement has been active duty for 90 days or longer (I was working off memory from 2006, and it may well have been 120 days then – I was specifically told by the issuing office then that 120 days was the “cut point”). It’s also issued for contingency service, separation for cause, or separation for disability regardless of the length of service. See DoDI 13306.01 (August 20, 2009), Enclosure 3, para 2.d.
http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/pdf/133601p.pdf
Yep, apparently the 30 day rule was a local procedure here. 90 days is the rule now.
He’s NYG not NYNG, so I’m thinking that he just figured he earned them and pinned them on.
If you need to tell people you were a Ranger and then use that to make money for your “THOR Executive Security Services” then you need to pin them on, right?
Why didn’t I think of that??! Thanks, Jonn! Good thinking! I think I need a DSC!
the ribbons and medals are of NY Guard. the bottom row is a commendation medal, Desert Storm Medal, Some service cross.
what a duche nozzel
The bottom row might be. The top row is definitely an Army Commendation Medal, Army Achievement Medal, and Humanitarian Service Medal.
You can also add “Civil Affairs” to the phony list because his lapels in that dress mess are the branch color.
Its not too often someone claims to be Civil Affairs, especially when they’re sporting SF and Ranger…
-We will have to see if he was/is in the Civil Affairs detachment of NY Militia (i.e. NOT US ARMY as claimed in bio). If not, add that to the list.
-Still there is enough troubling stuff here with the Ranger tab, claimed ranger experience, claimed Army officer experience.
Also the airborne wings.
Why do I get the idea that T.H.O.R. is familiar with B.U.B.B.A. ?
Would Thor be “thor” after Thor and Bubba got done with him in the back of a prison “thell”?
Or would “Manos” prefer a hand job?
Maybe Bubba thor him a new ath-hole…
What’s that cross is he a Knights Templar too?
No, he is one of the Sons of Malta (MC) just like that other faker from a couple of months back. The Templars would be rolling in their graves if such a dipshit were to claim their honors.
Veritas Omnia Vincit…He got it for being Knighted as a “double naught spy”. Thank you Jethro Bodine!
My best guess is that this turd is a Regional Consultant for All-Points Logistics.
Even if he was in the Guard he would have a record at NPRC. If you complete Basic you are issued a DD214 as Basic Training is Federal Service. At least since 1987 when I enlisted in the SCARNG.
ARNG or ANG, yes. State guard (e.g., state militia outside of the state’s ARNG or ANG components), not unless he has prior service in the AC or RC.
True, but I’ve never known State Guard to send people to the schools he’s claiming.
Same here. Personally, I think the guy is MSU. I’m trying to lay out all the alternative possibilities so they can be explored – and shown to be BS.
It’s called “salting the earth”. (smile)
He’s definitely a dipshit. If he did complete all of those schools I would love to see the documentation which I’m sure is non existent.
I was trying to run through a scenario where a MAJ in the ARNG might have service without getting a DD-214. The only thing that I can think of is a direct commission with an advanced course done through correspondence with the 2 week residence requirement for phase II. Of course, the tab and the jump wings make the point moot.
Seriously though, isn’t MCPO (NYC) familiar with the laws regarding military fakery in the State of New York? This might be someone he could really sink his teeth into! Let the carnage begin…
I’ll just leave this here:
Manos, The Hands of Fate
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AJVZuQuD6M
D’oh! Because I don’t post at work, I was planning to post the MST3K screening of Manos, The Hands Of Fate, but you beat me to it.
And for those that know a bit of Spanish, Manos translates to Hands so it is Hands, The Hands Of Fate.
I was so thinking the same thing. But yah beat me to it.
One of the best MST3K’s evah.
I bet that tan is fake too……rump ranger, turd burgler, taint tickler, catcher for the 69 Mets.
The State Guards generally let you choose your own rank. Most choose Colonel. It is a title and not a rank. It is the same as being designated a “Kentucky Colonel”.
You are not federally recognized except at whatever your last Federal rank was. the only federal awards you nay wear are those that you earned on AD, USAR, or ARNG service. You aren’t supposed to wear your rank or ribbons outside of your state.
in most states, the State Guard maintains the ARNG armories when the ARNG deploys.
http://socnet.com/showthread.php?t=93608
“General” Walt Smith is a good example. He was an FAA admnistrator that was apparently given Emergency Operations responsibilities based on his Reserve Component General Officer rank. He had been a prior enlisted infantryman in vietnam and received combat valor awards. Apparently those were not sufficient for old Walt.
He had jooineed the reserves rising to become a USAR O-4 Major. He then promoted himself to the title of “Colonel” in the CA State Guard and then to BG also in the State Guard. There is evidence that Walt clearly misrepresented himself variously as a MG and BG in both the ARNG and the Marine Reserves. His son is a USMC Officer (thank you for your service but that doesn’t change the fact that you are a complete asshole as well). Apparently, Walt convinced authorities that he was a Marine Reserve General to get quarters appropriate for his fake rank for a visit to his son.
Complete fake that told his Vietnam buddies that he was being questioned about his combat valor awards. He seemed to omit that pesky rank thing from his discussions with his old pals. Now, they know and most are pissed.
Walt is a piece of shit poser that has disgraced his honorable and valorious enlisted wartime service.
Awesome name.
I have no clue what State Guard you are talking about.
Several states have Militia units that are not vetted by the National Guard Bureau. They are allowed to wear service dress, ceremonial dress, and evening wear / mess dress uniforms like regular military personnel.
The appointments are usually political and are normally made by that state’s governor from a list of party loyalists. Massachusetts’ Ancient and Honorable Artillery Company (twinned with Britain’s Honorable Artillery Company) is an example.
Lindsay,
I don’t think anyone has a problem with the uniform per se. The issues people are raising here are
1-Manos’ bio stating he was a US Army officer. He never was according to NPRC. In fact, NPRC has no record of him ever being in the Army.
2-Manos’ bio saying he was a Ranger. He never was according to NPRC.
3-Manos’ Ranger tab. Again, he was never a Ranger according to NPRC.
4-The Airborne Wings on said uniform. NPRC has no record of this
5-Where did the federal awards (ARCOM, AAM, HSM) on his uniform come from if he has no federal service?
I have never known the state militia to grant federal awards but let’s just give that one up for the sake of argument. The other four issues remain.
The New York Guard is the organized militia of New York, not some rump militia. Rank and promotions go through the Division of Military and Naval Affairs, just like promotions in the Army go through DoD. There are time in service/time in grade requirements, school requirements, and you have to make drill 75% of the time along with annual training to be eligible. All this also being contingent on open slots being available in your unit. Bottom line, in the New York Guard you don’t choose your rank.
“The State Guards generally let you choose your own rank.”
Um, no. Not in the Texas State Guard, anyway. Your rank is assigned to you based on your schooling (high school, college, MD/DDS/JD, etc.), and you have to go through their boot camp or OCS unless you are prior service (including ROTC). Prior service are assigned their previous federal rank. There are other requirements (training, service, etc.) in order to be promoted, per state regulation. You don’t just get to promote yourself.
The issue here is not his rank but the airborne wings and ranger tab when there is no record of him ever being in the Army, yet his bio claims it for his security business.
Holy crap those militia guys are really into it. Take a look at the website for them posted by BoBo, those guys have Class As, Blues, BDUs and their awards page has almost as many awards and badges as the federals.
No wonder the general public gets confused.
Airborne wings? Ranger tab? “US Army” “Ranger” in bio?
You don’t get those in the militia.
http://ssmaclub.org/?page_id=30
Apparently he is on the Board of the Soldiers and Sailors Club in NYC.
Mighty THOR…Our good Master Chief, MCPO,NYC,RET will LOVE to hear this one!
Funny, he’s listed as Mr. and not MAJ there.
Probably because The Soldiers’, Sailors’, Marines’, Coast Guard and Airmen’s Club only recognizes real ranks, not the ranks that you buy at the PX and pin on.
Oh … This burns me bad!
Jonn,
Fill me in this guy!
PLEASE!
The cross around his neck? It’s his fraternity pledge necklace.
Sorta like this scene: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Dy2fo6E_pI
OK.
Netted out.
We have a huge problem here is NY because the NY Naval Militia and NY Guard have been around for a very long time.
Both organizations are under NY Division of Mil Affairs.
NYG uses the US Army uniform under an agreement and same for NYNM.
Problem is, you need no military experience (Army or Navy) to affiliate in some cases.
Some of these individuals hold positions and wear the ranks of very senior enlisted, line and flag officers.
They prance around on holidays and at dinners through out the metro area.
This goon is one of them.
They are well known to all real veterans and retired MIL types in the area.
Good news is many of the current senior enlisted and officers in NYG and NYNM are real former career MIL types.
Keep me posted on such subjects.
As a former CMC of NYNM I will have no problem confronting and or dropping the dime on a sh!tbag.
Re: “…and or dropping the dime on a sh!tbag.”
Boss, it ain’t a dime anymore and been a long time since I’ve seen where one could drop one. {Smile…just noting things most of us know that our youngins would not understand)
What’s a dime? Is it like bitcoin?
hehehehehee
Master Chief,
From the various pictures and comments the following are the issues that have come up :
1-He was likely in the NY Militia. Fair enough. Same thing with the rank. They give out rank in those orgs like candy. Can even wear an Army uniform for that. But the nametag, never, ever says US Army. Not on the dress uniform, not on any battle dress uniform, no uniform ever…Important distinction.
2-That is problematic because his “THOR” bio for some seminar he conducted in the former Communist bloc said he was a US Army officer.
3-Further his bio says he was a former ranger.
4-His photos from 2006 show no federal awards, airborne wings, or ranger tab. He only has his NYS Militia stuff. That’s fine based off the photo alone.
5-His 2014 pictures show federal awards (ARCOM, AAM, HSM) and even more troublesome, ranger tab and airborne wings. Possibly a EFMB as well.
6-None of this stuff regarding his awards and badges came up through National Personnel Records center.
7-Did he magically earn those badges after 2006. Something about a 50 year old attending airborne and ranger school does not fit especially when there is no record of service.
The issue appears to be not one of being in the NY Militia but rather claiming to be a US Army officer, airborne, ranger, for your line of business when the documentation from the government does not show that.
He did scream at another man at this dinner and claim the other man had never served in the military.
In my NYG unit we fry people like him. Stolen valor is not tolerated.
We have doubts about that here on TAH, thanks for resurrecting a dead thread, you’ve increased the Power of Google on this joker!
I can’t believe everyone missed that cross on his neck. It’s The Divine And Righteous Order Of Charlton Heston
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqCTq3EeDcY
I hope he got a tree line counseling……
Bellhop. He looks like a bellhop. He needs the little cap.
I don’t recognize the lovely lavender on his lapels as a standard US Army branch color. Infantry pukes would wear light blue. The 2006 photo looks like he’s wearing Medical Corps branch brass, but MC branch color is maroon IIRC.
It looks like he’s wearing medical service corps brass, and I think that purple is the branch color for civil affairs.
Correct. MSC colors are maroon with white piping. CA uses purple with white piping. And what he’s wearing above certainly looks like purple to me.
Maybe he’s colorblind. Or maybe he just thinks purple looks “fabulous” or “more regal”. (smile)
The Lavendar lapels are actually Civil Affairs branch color.
So, he’s a Civil Affairs Special Forces Ranger Holy Guard Guy…
Memo to self: write my Governor on where he can save some money: “State Guards”, i.e., pretenders that don’t do jack crap but pretend to be real Service members. Evidence: this tool; Chevy.
I experienced these assholes in the N.VA area. Sadly for them, the audience was full of REAL service members. It was not pretty.
There wouldn’t be much money to save Sir, we drill for absolutely free and provide our own uniforms and transport. What we are good at is completing things like engineering missions (MOUT Facility construction for example) and saving the state tens of thousands in construction costs.
OH, REALLY? Can you provide some links to photos and news releases about that? Just curious.
I’ll let Angela speak for her state, but here’s info for Texas (and no, Chevy didn’t last long there, either):
https://www.txmf.us/texas-state-guard
Many are veterans of federal service, including combat.
Just curious because I’m sure some of the more studious historians among you would know:
When was the last time a “militia” stood up to run an Armory when the NG was deployed for federal duties?
I keep hearing that pop up, so I’m just curious.
I’m an Army Guard AGR. Most of our State Defense Force guys (and gals) are retired Guard (or other branch) personnel. I was tasked back in ’08 with producing a white paper on recommendations for exactly what they could be used for, in support of the state military structure – including roles, scenarios and limitations. Needless to say it was very limited for a variety of reasons. In my experience they are folks, often with a lot of experience, who want to keep serving and help out. We have used them to help with coordinating going away and coming home ceremonies, helping man relief centers, and they are often a wealth of support for family members of deployed personnel and service members looking for employment after returning or when ETSing. Like I said the hard part is finding a niche for them to fill.
Good info, thanks.
I was involved with a NSSE in Georgia a few years back. The GA National Guard ran an RSOI program for the event because of the multitudes of people from multiple organizations involved. The GA State Guard ran the RSOI. I thought that it was a really imaginative use of their talents.
Roger. We have done the same thing. Problem is they don’t have access to any of the systems so their use in such events is limited to “skut work” which is no less important
http://www.patrickmcmullan.com/site/search.aspx?t=person&s=George+Manos
Some 2010 and 2011 pictures. He is wearing the decorations and badges/tabs back in 2010 as well. He wasn’t wearing them in the 2006 photo posted yesterday.
The other pictures from 2011, with his sleeves rolled up, are living it up on the civilian side going to Studio 54 (one night special)
This buttplug reminds me of that other phony that liked to wear his top-notch finery.
Michael Gerard III or something like that. I think he also claimed O-4.
Any help?
No Manos the Hand of Fate jokes on this fella?
Might be time to introduce Georgie to Denny boy.
Grail Knight has an opinion on Manos’ choices:
http://youtu.be/0H3rdfI28s0
I think I went to school with this idiot. Not in New York either but Southern Illinois. The name George doesn’t fit his face I need to think about this for a bit it will come to me. The years would be 1984 and 85.
He’s to old for me to have went to school with him. Sometime he goes by JG Manos. He is just riding on a Grandfather’s military shirt tail and showing up at the Military ball’s as a family member.
The outfit really reminds me of when my older brother was in the Order of the Demolay. I wonder hum?
A few things about the New York Guard, First, they are considered lawful belligerents by the State of New York and are subject to both the Geneva Conventions and the New York State Military Code of Justice, (which is the same thing that applies to National Guard and Air Guard folks when they serve on state duty.) They typically serve in an unpaid status except when called to active state duty, and then they are paid at the same rate as NG and AG folks based on rank and time in grade, and they have legal protections under state law for their jobs just like the NG and AG folks have.
Second, they do more than just keep armories warm when the NYG deploys, they have an active CBRN response unit, Search and Rescue, and disaster response stuff, and also operate the state’s military emergency radio network, among other things. They also do a multiple of various support jobs, everything from PIO and forklift driver to admin and database management. They are authorized by state statute to carry firearms, should the Governor deem it necessary, and currently can receive limited firearms training and compete in the annual combat pistol TAG match, and they have occasionally deployed out of the state. They can not be federalized in the same sense the NG can, but the governor can sign them over to the feds with the stroke of a pen. To my knowledge that has not happened since the civil war, but is technically still possible. Many of the current NYG units lineage are from those same civil war units, and in some cases go even farther back. In the aftermath of Superstorm Sandy, NYG members were on state active duty for months and besides serving in various storm response duties, they were responsible for managing logistics for the tons of food, millions of gallons of fuel, and other supplies distributed to storm victims
Third, the NYG has not sent any one to airborne school, but a few have been sent to air assault school.
Fourth, ranks are not “picked”, one becomes an officer either because of rank held from an active duty, national guard, or reserve rank, or by going through OCS, or by getting a direct commission, such as JAG or medical. Promotion is supposed to be based on OERs, leadership ability, time in grade, and completion of additional officer training courses.
Are there exceptions to this? Yes, there are some NYG officers that get rank through dubious means, or political connections, rather than merit, that tends however to be in the field grade level officers and above, not at the company level officers, but you do NOT see that kind of thing in the enlisted ranks. The end result however is that the higher ranking officers are a mix of political favor types and early retired National Guard officers, particularity at headquarters. Are there some clowns, yes, but the NG and RA also has clowns, and also has its share of people wearing things they did not earn. That unfortunately is a bigger problem than any branch or component of the military at any level, and I will never understand why people want to wear things they did not earn. In the meantime, don’t confuse this alleged faker with the NYG as a whole. No one in the NYG likes this kind of faker stuff any more than the rest of the posters on this board.
Fifth, the NYG does indeed manufacture Search and Rescue tabs, basic and advanced, in subdued cloth for wear on the ACU uniform and a metal tab set for dress uniforms(they are blue and gold). They are also authorized to wear New York State medals, same as the NG and AG, foreign awards and medals, other states awards and medals, and of course federal awards and medals (assuming they were properly earned of course).
hope that helps.
So are you a Manos supporter?
I am confused.
No. He was clarifying that this guy doesn’t represent the NYG.
Roger that.
greenthumb what part of “No one in the NYG likes this kind of faker stuff any more than the rest of the posters on this board” indicates that I support Manos? What part of that was confusing?