According to the New York Times, a three-judge panel of the 8th Circuit Court of Appeals may call for a new trial in the case of Jimmy Janos v. the Chris Kyle estate because some remarks by the plaintiff’s attorney in the first trial were so prejudicial that he may have influenced the outcome of the trial;
During closing arguments, Ventura’s attorney, David Bradley Olsen, told jurors the “insurer is on the hook if you find that Jesse Ventura was defamed.” That followed questions he put to two HarperCollins employees about whether Kyle was covered by the publisher’s policy.
Courts are reluctant to permit such testimony out of concerns that it could taint a jury’s decision. Appeals Judge William Jay Riley challenged Olsen on Tuesday to cite precedents that would have allowed those statements. Olsen could not point to other cases with the exact same circumstances, but Riley gave him time for more research.
Of course, Little Jimmy Janos blames the “Scruff Face” story for a loss of income, not the fact that he’s a big has-been and his conspiracy theory cable television show didn’t contribute to the fact that he can no longer make a living. He says that the story made him an outcast in the SEAL community. Suing one of the widows of that community had nothing to do with it, I suppose.
“I’ve suffered a great deal from this lie,” Ventura said.
[…]
Ventura said he stands by his statement that if he loses he’ll probably move to Mexico, where he now spends his winters.
“I don’t think I’d want to live in a country where you can profit from wrongdoing and the courts allow that,” he said.
That’s fine, because we don’t want you here, either.
“I don’t think I’d want to live in a country where you can profit from wrongdoing and the courts allow that.”
Except when you’re the one doing the profiting, right Jimmy?
Fuck you and don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out, “amigo”.
I SO wish that Jimmy Janos would take his gnarly wrinkled no-class brainless has-been bawling ass to Mexico and STAY THERE, didn’t he say he was going to do that some years ago because he feared for his life in the USA?
“He [Jimmy] said the book ruined his reputation in the SEAL community.”
Hey, Jimmy – news flash for you. Your reputation was ALREADY fucked. It’s called a “self-inflicted wound.”
“I don’t think I’d want to live in a country where you can profit from wrongdoing and the courts allow that,” he said.
Stop running your pie-hole and just GTFO. No one cares about you, your feelings, or what you think.
Go.
Leave.
GTFO.
Shoo.
GFY.
Go on now, GIT!!
EABOD, and choke on them.
Fuck you, you leg humping, bottom feeding, scum sucking, taint tickling, ball working, wanna-be DRG member, shit-for-brains, worthless, bent, clogged douchebozzle, catheter inserting, dickmissile launch specialist.
Hey Chip, you’re starting to sound like me, take a deep breath and tell me how you really feel! 😀
Q: What’s the difference between Jimmy Janos and a Suckerfish?
A: One is a slimy cold blooded scum sucking bottom feeder, the other is a useful member of an ecosystem!
Chip,
Please. Don’t hold back! Tell us how you *really* feel! LMFAO!
I thought it was “EAFBOD”.
Well Hondo,
If you’re REALLY angry.
/Or if Scruff face is REALLY Hungry.
😀 😀
I’ll tell Jimmy Janos to ESBAM (Eat Shit and Bark At the Moon)! 😀
I didn’t like this asshole before or after Chris Kyle….and like him less now.
The operative word; asshole!
Maybe I’m remembering wrong- Lord knows it wouldn’t be the first time- but I could have sworn that Fucknuts said he was going to move to Mexico permanently if W won re-election. If he did, something tells me he’s not leaving when/if he loses the case
Shit-for-brains Jerk-off Janos sure can’t shut his piehole up… reminds me of a has-been lawer/washed-up pilot and his SmEgMaSlUrRpInG butt-buddy in FLA.
Hopefully, justice will be served and Chris Kyle’s widow and child can be left alone to live their lives… and Jimmy “Jack-off” Janos will move south of the border for good.
This is really good stuff. There were other grounds for the appeal but the comment going to the book publisher’s insurance liability, as opposed to Kyle’s estate having to pay any award, is a humdinger. If you were sitting on the jury and you agreed, based upon the case facts and the instructions that you received regarding the law, that Janos was likely maligned BUT you also felt Mrs. Kyle (i.e., the estate of Kyle) should not pay, hearing that the publisher’s insurance company will be “on the hook” is a perfect out for you. You might say, “She’s good to go. The insurance company pays!” And that there is no-no. The insurance company you never heard from. It is out there somewhere, an impersonal entity that has nothing whatsoever to do with the case facts. So, one of the appellate judges asked one of Jimmy’s lawyers to cite a case or two in which such prejudicial information was acceptable. The lawyer, I can guess, replied, “Um. Er. Ah. Um. I’ll need more time to research that, your appellate honor.” More time? The grounds for appeal were not a surprise. The lawyers had months to research and practice their arguments and counter arguments. I see a big light at the end of this tunnel.
I personally hope that big light at the end of the tunnel is a freight train about to run over janos’ idiot fat ass.
He has earned nothing less.
Jessy (The Turd) Ventura can always get a job at All Points Logistics. I bet they have an opening he can fill just right.
imho
I hope he moves to Mexico. Considering the state of that failed nation, he’d fit right in.
DRG go’s SOB.
The only problem I have with this case and it’s Chris Kyle was a notorious over-exaggerator ranging from sniping on top of the Super Dome which has been during Katrina which has been proven false, to gunning down two thieves in Arlington, which the Arlington police and Texas Rangers have said that it was a lie and they can find no evidence to back it up.
After the jury trial it was determined that this event never even happened and that Janos was in Mexico when this event took place and that he had never even met Chris Kyle. Do I believe this event where he punched Janos happened. No I think it was another Chris Kyle Fable, who although was a great Seal was also a proven over exaggerator of facts.
The issue of paying Janos, make the publisher pay him. Do I like Jesse Janos……no but I do feel Chris Kyle made a lot of stuff up.
What!!!??? A Veteran who bullshits? I am outraged! Call Congress! Call the White House! Call a cab! Besides, I am not at all certain that anything that you mentioned was, in fact, part of the case.
How many lives did Kyle save? 50? 150? 200? I don’t know but I know this: There are many men home with their families right now who would not have been but for Kyle. Did that give him license to bullshit about anything or everything? Maybe not but it sure puts any tall-tale telling he might have done in the the who-gives-a-shit category.
As I stated the fact he was a great Seal does not exempt him from lying. He was proven in court to have lied about ever even meeting Jesse Ventura. His credibility went out the window when they went to court and proved he had a history of telling “Chris Kyle Fables”. It matters a lot because if someone lies about two huge stories like that he is probably lying about the third story.
The fact he saved lives is irrelevant and I agree his actions did save lives, but Chris Kyle has been proven to have over exaggerate a lot of stories. The fact he was a great sniper does not mean he was not a habitual exaggerator. Chris Kyle made this story up hell he was probably put on the spot during the radio interview where he stated he punched Ventura because he does not mention someone by name in his book. He probably did not think anything would come of it.
Ventura is not liked but the fact is this event never happened. Make the publisher pay the Ventura and let him go somewhere else and spread his BS conspiracies. I do not think he “picking on a widow” this lawsuit was going on well before Chris Kyle was murdered.
It’s where you choose to dwell that I find objectionable. You want to harp on rumor and innuendo. Okay, stay with it. That’s your choice. I prefer to focus on what the man accomplished in his short life.
That’s what the court ruled. The court also ruled that OJ didn’t stab anybody and that Michael Jackson’s obsession with little boys was normal and healthy.
I know a few people who were there when the incident occurred. Janos was there, wanted everybody to know who he was, was a raging asshole, and Kyle knocked him on his ass. So unless Janos has an evil(er) twin running around, he’s the liar.
The double standards applied when this board chooses sides is bewildering to follow.
conservative Navy SEAL lies constantly and publicly; “all veterans” exaggerate”.
liberal Navy SEAL sues for defamation and libel due to the the lies; “what a worthless piece of shit, he should move to Mexico.”
Chris Kyle constantly made up stories and lied. Some of those lies harmed Janos’ public reputation and credibility.
He is not wrong in this specific case. Kyle was.
Now I’m the board? And all this time I thought I was a lone commenter. Where’s my stipend, my honorarium? Sonovabitch. By the way, Lars, repeatedly saying that Kyle “constantly” lied really doesn’t bolster whatever it is you are struggling to say. see what I mean about bullshitting?
I think you’re wasting your time, 2/17 Air Cav. Not sure Taylor knows quite how to cite sources. Or maybe it’s simply against his SOP to do so. He certainly rarely if ever seems to do so here.
Name one lie told by Chris Kyle.
We’ve had this discussion before, Lars. You pointed to exaggerated claims made ABOUT Kyle that he never said himself.
I do not remember having a discussion about Chris on this forum so I am not sure what you mean by “we have discussed this before.”
It is unclear what Chris said about himself. All we know are what reporters claim he said to them about himself.
While these journalists explicitly state Chris said these things, Chris’ defenders say nobody can produce an audio of him actually saying these things. Fair point.
I really am not sure where the fact or fiction calls on this.
I do know that either everyone involved is lying about Chris or Chris lied.
It does not appear Chris is any more or less credible than James.
Of course you don’t remember, Lars. You made the same claims, couldn’t back them up with a primary source, became increasingly antagonistic about it, and made an ass of yourself. Everybody else remembers!
Get a primary source whitey where he claims he didnt do these things?
I USED to regard you as a step above some CrItTer known here, but I see you’re trying to be as big of an imbecile as he is. Have you been drinking DRG Cocktails with an extra lead paint chip?
Reporters huh? Well that settles it because they’re so trustworthy and credible.
Not to mention, its easy to say what someone said after they’re dead when they can’t defend themselves.
I agree, this is an issue. Unfortunately both journalists AND witnesses have been proven to be exceedingly unreliable.
I guess it is difficult to determine who is more or less full of shit right now.
The jury ruled in James Janos’ favor.
Should we find that credible or dismiss it too?
Larsie-poo, like it’s been said elsewhere in this thread, juries also ruled that OJ didn’t kill Nicole and that Michael Jackson sleeping with prepubescent boys was okay, your argument is completely invalid, my little DallASS WiTlEsS clone!!
And here I thought you had left.
Congratulations on being a lying asshole yet again.
They brought up his credibility numerous times in the trial.
Kyle also told a story about killing a pair of carjackers in Texas and then dialing up the Pentagon for the law enforcement officials who arrived at the scene. That’s another story that nobody — no police, deputy, coroner or witness — has been able to confirm. McAffrey writes, “Just like he didn’t shoot two car jackers in the middle of nowhere Texas, and he didn’t shoot looters in the aftermath of Katrina. None of those things are true…but that doesn’t mean there aren’t people who desperately need them to be true.” -I think people like you want to believe so desperately want or need his stories to be true.
One of Kyle’s officers who said, “I never heard that story,” the Washington Post writes, “Does that mean it didn’t happen? Who knows. It’s certainly possible that Kyle… killed 30 armed assailants in New Orleans to protect its residents in Katrina’s aftermath. But it’s also possible Kyle couldn’t let go of his own legend, and, in a haze of post-traumatic stress, let his tales veer into untruth.” – Nobody wants to call a dead guy a liar but the fact his he had a history of lying and his credibility was brought up numerous times in trial. Not to say he was a bad person because he was a damn good Seal but I do not believe that he ever even met Jesse Ventura.
“That sense of superhuman toughness perhaps led him to tell stories reporters couldn’t confirm”
The Fort Worth Star-Telegram had no better luck. “We checked with the medical examiner’s office, which reported no such deaths in Cleburne in January 2009.” Why lie about stuff like this? Because of Bravado everyone has it but he said it in a public setting which brings into question his credibility.
n00bslam: regarding Janos not being there – my understanding is that’s not what the people who were known to have been there that night reportedly say, virtually unanimously. If you have reputable sources indicating otherwise, links to those would be relevant; please post them to back up your claim.
Regarding your other allegations, please provide links to reputable sources to back them up. Don’t believe I’ve seen those. (They’re immaterial to this case, actually, but providing sourcing would actually show you’re not BSing above.)
Look, EVEN IF all of that bullshit is true, so what? What’s the point of it? Was there reputation evidence offered at the trial regarding Kyle and, if so, did it include that he was known to be a liar? I know the answer to those questions so, quite frankly, noobslam, your offerings speak a world about you, not Kyle.
Where you Chris Kyles girlfriend? He lied get over it. He was a habitual liar at times. I am saying he wasn’t a good Seal. He liked to lie and fib some people like to hunt some people like to fish. He liked to lie..why who knows? Maybe it was bravado. Read the links below. There are numerous articles about his credibility. If he lied about being a sniper on the roof of the super dome or lied about protesters calling him a baby killer then he was probably lying about punching Jesse Ventura. Its been proven in court therefore its fact. Get off your knees its
http://frontburner.dmagazine.com/2013/02/08/confirmed-american-sniper-chris-kyle-killed-two-men-at-a-gas-station-in-2009/
“Where you Chris Kyles girlfriend? He lied get over it. He was a habitual liar at times.”
I wanted to be but he was married when I met him. As for the lying you allege, I am not the one who needs to get over it. My focus remains on the many lives he saved. It is you who is fixated with lying. Just read your own comments and see how many times you mentioned it. It might even surprise you.
It’s SEAL…not Seal…FFS!
Actually its not.
I used to regard you as just a little bit petty and juvenile, but now I’m beginning to regard you about as highly as SoMeOnE eLsE well known to TAH!
Actually, it is you fucking cum guzzling shit bag.
Actually you’re an idiot.
Actually, it IS SEAL, numbnuts.
SEa Air Land force is the source of SEAL. It was created in the early 1960s. Like all acronyms, the all-caps nominative for the term SEAL indicates the source words.
You’re wrong about a lot of things, and this is only one of them.
Actually its not sandy crotch.
Seal? Sure, just like Nato, Nasa, and Rotc. Whadda maroon.
Sandy crotch? Wow. You really told her! I thought you gays got along well with women, nobslobber.
Lame, shit for brains.
Was that supposed to be an insult?
Here you go, dumpsterdiver.
Directly from the USNavy itself:
The Navy SEAL + SWCC Scout Team identifies and engages high-quality, potential SEAL and SWCC candidates, informs them of a career in Naval Special Warfare and assists them with the recruiting process.
http://www.sealswcc.com/seal-default.html
It would help if newbitch weren’t quite such an ass.
HEY n00bslobber, so now you’re berating Women like a certain non-CPO that does a piss-poor job of checking its airplane fuel level before taking off!!
Actually those claims are relevant. He had a pattern of lying and making shit up. You seem to get butt hurt the fact of the matter is the guy lied and had a pattern of lying. Its well documented. I am not saying he was not a good Seal. The very fact of the mater is the case went to court they lost and now they are appealing where they will lose again.
“For Ventura to win, the jury must find three things: that the story was defamatory, that it was false and that Kyle knew it was false or had serious doubts about its truth.”
“at some point it becomes difficult for them to distinguish between what actually happened and what they would like to believe,” Olsen said.
If Ventura had been hit in the face by a trained SEAL in peak physical condition, he would have bruised, Olsen said. Photos from the next few days didn’t seem to show that.
“Everyone in this room knows that didn’t happen,” Olsen said of the punch. And if Kyle lied about the punch, he asked, “what else did he lie about?”
“That’s what happens when you make stories up,” he said. He said Kyle’s own testimony that he lied to avoid getting in trouble for a bar fight while he was on active duty”
We as humans need to bend reality in all sorts of bizarre ways in order to be able to survive and keep our psyche in tact. We ignore some things, and focus on others, all in an attempt to make ‘reality’ fit what we want it to be. We suspend our disbelief so that we can be loyal to our country, or our president or whatever is important to us. We hold contrasting beliefs and attitudes simultaneously in order to make our belief system make some sort of sense to us internally, even when it makes no sense externally. This is the human condition. It is not a disease that only infects those of a certain political party or religion, it is a disease that infects mankind, and it is epidemic.
Search for “superdome”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/07/30/the-complicated-but-unveriable-legacy-of-chris-kyle-the-deadliest-sniper-in-american-history/
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2013/06/03/in-the-crosshairs
I’m not at all butt hurt. As I said, you go right ahead and disparage the man, while insisting that you are not. By the way, I really enjoyed this line of yours: “The very fact of the mater is the case went to court they lost and now they are appealing where they will lose again.” You really need to unfurl your colors, your honor. Go ahead. I, for one, will not think any less of you if you do. I can’t.
The evidence was there he lied they will lose. They are appealing based on sympathy that Chris was murdered and they constantly brought it up in trial that he was murdered, which is irrelevant because he lied about punching ventura. He was a good Seal but it does not mitigate the fact that he lied.
Um, wrongo, your honor. That’s a fail. The appeal is not “based on sympathy” but on legal grounds. Whether those grounds have merit and, if so, whether they amount to harmless error or were so egregious that the trial outcome will be vacated is the appellate court’s decision. How you regard Kyle is, I’m just guessing now, not something the appellate court will consult with you about.
I didn’t say the appeal was based on sympathy the defense constantly tried to pull a sympathy card about how he was murdered.
It did not take a genius to realize Chris Kyle had a lying problem. Just because he was a Seal and saved a lot of lives does not matter in this case. It is irrelevant.
Everyone says they knew someone who knew someone that was there. Why did none of these people come forward in the trial…..because it didnt happen. PERIOD!
Now get on your knees, open your mouth and enjoy that load I just blew in you’re face.
Hey n00bnut, you talk trash like either a freshly arrested perp or a sub-par JV player trying to sound tough, you know that?
“Now get on your knees, open your mouth and enjoy that load I just blew in you’re face.”
Well, well, well. It seems that a nerve has been struck in GameBoy. Sorry, bud, I am not gay but, again, I couldn’t possibly think any less of you now that I have learned you are. Anyway, at first, I thought that perhaps you were just being sloppy or too hasty with your drivel. But that excuse was dispelled by the apparent shallowness of your thinking, your disdain for Kyle, your unbridled support for Janos, and your obvious inability to think for yourself. So, in deference to your evident cognitive disabilities and TV-acquired legal acumen, I will forego responding in kind to you, at least for now. Also, ask your special ed counselor to read these two quotes of yours and ask him to please explain just how they do not jibe: “They are appealing based on sympathy…” and “I didn’t say the appeal was based on sympathy.”
One other thing. What follows is a PARTIAL list of quotes from you regarding Kyle’s alleged lying. Ask your special ed counselor to help you count them. I didn’t use quotation marks b/c there are far too many quotes and it’s too tedious.
Chris Kyle was a notorious over-exaggerator…No I think it was another Chris Kyle Fable…a proven over exaggerator of facts…Chris Kyle made a lot of stuff up…does not exempt him from lying…He was proven in court to have lied…he had a history of telling “Chris Kyle Fables”…he is probably lying about the third story…Chris Kyle has been proven to have over exaggerate a lot of stories…
a habitual exaggerator…
Chris Kyle made this story up…
which brings into question his credibility…He lied get over it…He was a habitual liar…
He liked to lie and fib…He liked to lie…
he was probably lying…He had a pattern of lying and making shit up…
the guy lied and had a pattern of lying
The evidence was there he lied
he lied about punching ventura
the fact that he lied.
Chris Kyle had a lying problem.
I am thinking for myself. Show me that Chris Kyle was not a habitual exaggerator.
That is why I do not believe that him and Jesse Ventura ever got in a fight. 10 people had 10 different accounts all his friends. The next day he did not have a black eye. It never happened period.
Chris was great SEAL but that did not make him a perfect person. The guy had a pattern of habitual fibing. As a person he had issues with lying thats fine but don’t sit here and he was an honest man. The guy loved to lie more than likely to get a rise out of people.
“Show me that Chris Kyle was not a habitual exaggerator.”
I hope you don’t take this the wrong way, you leather-helmet wearing, imbecilic twit, but I will not show you anything but the x on the upper right of your screen. Chris Kyle saved many lives. You brand him a liar and pay token respect to his combat service. What he did is infinitely more important than what he may or may not have said at one time or another. So, get back to the bus station men’s room and do what you do best. This doesn’t mean I’m done with you. I’m just getting warmed up. I let you slide earlier, pipe puffer, but that’s over.
Thanks for providing sources (I’ve not read them yet, but will soon). Some who comment here never seem to be able to back their assertions with anything but their own words.
Kyle’s past lies – if any – are not relevant to the fact of whether or not Janos was there and got slugged by Kyle – as Kyle claimed. Whether Kyle’s specific claim to have slugged Janos at McP’s on the evening in question was true or not was the key issue of fact in the case.
The fact that Kyle’s account was corroborated by multiple eyewitnesses renders any past truthfulness (or lack thereof) on other matters by the account’s author effectively irrelevant regarding that point of fact unless there is some independent reasons to believe that those multiple other eyewitnesses are deliberately lying. (Past truthfulness of both parties would indeed be relevant if it was a “he said – he said” situation.) However, having multiple independent accounts supporting the Kyle’s claim regarding the specific incident in question makes the past truthfulness of both parties to the suit effectively irrelevant. In that case, there is now credible evidence indicating which party is lying about the specific incident in question.
Multiple eyewitness put Janos there, and ID him as the guy slugged by Kyle. That certainly appears to me to meet the “preponderance of evidence” test (e.g., more likely than not) that is used in civil matters.
When one man is saying one thing and numerous others who witnessed the event say he’s full of it, the most likely reality is that that “one man” is lying.
The gas station shooting was exaggerated and blown out of proportion by his detractors. Kyle never claimed to be the shooter, or that it was in Arlington, or that he was even there. In the actual interview, he said he knew the guy involved, but was otherwise vague about the details. Multiple incidents fitting that description have occurred in Texas since 2000.
As far as the Superdone thing, I’ve seen lots of articles where somebody says they read about Kyle saying that. Never found the original source. Reference, please?
He did claim to be the shooter to a DMagazine reporter.
http://frontburner.dmagazine.com/2013/02/08/confirmed-american-sniper-chris-kyle-killed-two-men-at-a-gas-station-in-2009/
Though, at this point it is hard to distinguish fact form fiction even in the reporting on whether something is fact or fiction.
This could be a fictional account of him acknowledging a fictional story about him committing a fictional act.
None of it may have ever happened, including the conversation between Chris and the reporter.
Well shit, Lars. You finally offered a source. I’ll give you credit for that.
Now, since you’ve thrown the “anecdotal” argument at me over the Scruff-Face incident, let me apply the same razor.
In the original interview, which I read years ago, Kyle did not claim to be the shooter. This article contradicts what he said before. It also says right up front that it was published after he died, making him conveniently unavailable for further comment. Do they have A/V of him saying all of that? The media loves a circus, and they’ve been playing all sides of this controversy to the hilt. There’s also been lots of misquotes, misattributions, and outright lies told about lots of famous individuals. It happened to Bill Clinton (who’s more than enough of a douche without embellishment) over the Battle of Mogadishu back in ’93, for example.
This one article from one source that’s conveniently can’t be verified or refuted, and may or may not have an agenda, just might not be the Gospel.
No he is quoted as saying it numerous times. He was a liar. Great SEAL but a total liar. Who knows why he lied I think the guy just liked to get a rise out of people for fun.
“You mean the time I shot two guys trying to steal my truck?”-Chris Kyle
Kyle told me that he knew the tape was out there somewhere, because he would randomly get emails from police officers all over the country, thanking him for “cleaning up the streets.”
Several of Kyle’s friends were familiar with the incident, and they had heard virtually the same story. After our talk, I called the police chiefs of several towns along 67. Most of them had heard of the incident. One, speaking only on background, said he knew some of his men had at least seen the tape. But request after request provided no police reports and no tape.
Quit lying to yourself sometimes we believe what we want to believe because it makes us feel better.
Okay, let’s hear some other sources, then! Primary sources, not more articles referencing this one. Video especially would be good.
I asked you for a source that he was not lying.
If he lied about the Super Dome (show me proof you claim you know people therefore someone took a picture there were digital cameras in 2005), and about killing the two burglars. (never happened) Then I highly doubt he got in a fight with Jesse Ventura. He enjoyed the legend status and enjoyed perpetuating the lie. It does not make him a bad person but brings into question his credibility.
I never said anything about the Superdome story. I said I know people who witnessed the Scruff-Face incident. Jesus, can’t you pay attention?
No, he can’t. He is nose-to-bark at a tree and can’t see the forest. He’s also semi-literate which, as we know, tends to impede clarity of thought.
He’s programmed. Read the five count list. Check, check, check, check, and check.
http://henrymakow.com/2015/02/American-Liar.html
achievement unlocked
Reminds me of the Tom Stedham guy that only comes here to comment if it is about Janos/Kyle.
Chris Kyle was the Kim Kardashen of the SEAL community. Always looking for publicity.
I used to merely wonder what kind of drooling, blithering idiot you were until you proved it today, thanks for the answer, I see you as maybe a step and a half above The Dutch Rudder gang!
The Kim Kardashian of the SEAL community? Really?
First, you should learn to spell names correctly.
Second, I knew more about Roarke Denver before I ever heard of Chris Kyle.
Just how far up Janos’s butt IS your head, noobish?
“Chris Kyle was the Kim Kardashen of the SEAL community. Always looking for publicity.”
Ah. And the colors are revealed. Now we’re getting somewhere. What happened, nobslammer, did Kyle not fulfill your signed picture request to him? Is that it? Or is it that he reminded you of your first boyfriend who abused you? Or is it the Ventura angle? Got a thing for him? Got his old wrestling pics between your mattress and box spring? What is it? You can tell us. It’s okay. I won’t laugh too hard. I promise.
It sounds like n00bslobber has a laminated poster of Janos in his pink spandex “Pro-Wrasslin'” costume glued to the ceiling above his bed!!
Good one.
The SEAL community has a petition to drop him from all SEAL/UDT rolls.I wonder if we can do the same and drop him from the Navy rolls and drop his US citizen ship.
NECC, I’m figuring the person being petitioned to be dropped from SEAL/UDT is Janos, not Kyle, correct?
yes my BAD. I’m talking about Janos.
Good. Thank you!
Stupid petition by partisan idiots that will absolutely never have any traction at all because HE HAS DONE NOTHING TO BE REMOVED FROM THE ROLES.
Falsely claiming Vietnam combat service isn’t enough?
His initial reason for retiring from wrestling was because of his Agent Orange exposure during Vietnam.
He does have Vietnam service. He apparently never saw combat but agent orange exposure or the suspicion you might have been exposed is not related to seeing combat.
Given how little was known about the issues caused by Agent orange, how ubiquitous it use was, and how many symptoms were attributed to it I think it is reasonable that he might have believed the clots were related to something he was exposed to during his service.
NO, Lars, Janos was never a SEAL! Janos was a UTD and never the Philipines. Where did you think he was a Nam Vet. Is it because he said so ? Joe
I thought he was a Vietnam vet because he has a verified Vietnam service ribbon.
The difference between UDT and SEAL was the team you were assigned to back then. They trained at the same school.
Here is people with far more legitimate credibility than you have to say about the issue:
What Don Shipley has to say about it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeO1DUtnKsE
http://sofrep.com/36086/truth-jesse-venturas-navy-seal-status/
And according to the Naval Special Warfare Command Jesse Ventura EARNED and is AUTHORIZED to WEAR the Trident.
Debating this is stupid. It is a FACT that he was a SEAL.
Here is what CAPT James Bailey had to say:
JESSE VENTURA SEAL OR NOT?
Jesse Ventura went through UDT/SEAL Class 58 in 1970 and was assigned to UDT-12, where he spent three years (including three deployments fo Subic Bay, Philippines). As a UDT frogman, he operated in Viet Nam waters and earned the US Viet Nam Service Ribbon. He undoubtedly, like so may UDT men of that era, went ashore in Viet Nam for short periods of time. After he was released from active duty in 1973, he joined Reserve SEAL Team ONE. The point here is that all graduates of BUD/S are referred to within the Naval Special Warfare community as SEALs. They received the same training, whether they went to SEAL Teams or Underwater Demolition Teams. The case made by Commander Salisbury on Fox News Channel recently is without merit; Jesse Ventura is a SEAL by any definition.
Larry Bailey, Captain, USN (Ret.)
R.D. and Pam Russell, Co-Directors of Navel Special Warfare Archives state:
The official view point of the Archives is that Jesse was a SEAL. He completed BUD/S and the SEAL course in the desert. The west coast used UDT as a man power pool so they could pull people at any time without there being a training delay.
Sorry, CAPT Larry Bailey. “James” slipped in because I was googling “James Janos” a lot.
He has Vietnam “era” service and qualified for the Vietnam Service Medal by virtue of being on a ship off the coast of Vietnam. He was stationed in the Philippines – don’t think Agent Orange was used there.
I tried to find a source of the nature of his specific service during Vietnam and could not find one.
I will take you word for it. If true his claim, if it is true he made the claim, is bullshit.
Janos will not release or provide his DD214. That makes it a pain in the ass for researchers like you I suppose.
Here’s a guy who has done some research: http://cursor.org/venturawatch/dangerous_game.htm
Here’s some of Janos’s releasable info via FOIA
http://cursor.org/venturawatch/foia_docs.htm
Meh, I’ll even give him “Vietnam Service”. But for those who qualified but never set foot on the ground in SEA (e.g., Naval personnel shipboard or pilots who flew missions over SEA from out of the AOR), Agent Orange exposure is NOT automatically deemed to have occurred. It is for those who ever set foot on the ground in the RVN.
For Navy personnel who qualified for the VSM by shipboard service only, the VA maintains a list of ships for which exposure may be presumed. That list can be found here:
http://www.publichealth.va.gov/exposures/agentorange/shiplist/list.asp
Unless Janos can document his service on one of those ships during the periods indicated on the linked list, he does not qualify for automatic presumption of Agent Orange exposure.
Next time you might want to do a bit of homework first, Taylor.
I have read more about this at this point than is worth any rational person’s time to do.
The fact is there is a shitton of unverified misinformation out there about James/Jesse because there are a lot of people that hate him. Filtering through all the bullshit to find verifiable facts is a pain in the ass.
I did my homework, and what is available is a lot of bullshit and few facts.
“Filtering through all the bullshit to find verifiable facts is a pain in the ass.”
How convenient. Lars too tired to do homework. Therefore we’re all low cognition rascists, because, ultimately, he says so.
I did the homework.
And racist/sexist or otherwise bigoted comments are embarrassingly common on a board that often is understood by the public to “represent” the veteran community.
Babble, babble, babble!
No, you did NOT do the homework, Lars. You waited for other people to do it for you, just as you have always done.
I really but stake in this quote from Bailey as the most credible commentary on Jesse’s service:
Jesse Ventura went through UDT/SEAL Class 58 in 1970 and was assigned to UDT-12, where he spent three years (including three deployments fo Subic Bay, Philippines). As a UDT frogman, he operated in Viet Nam waters and earned the US Viet Nam Service Ribbon. He undoubtedly, like so may UDT men of that era, went ashore in Viet Nam for short periods of time. After he was released from active duty in 1973, he joined Reserve SEAL Team ONE. The point here is that all graduates of BUD/S are referred to within the Naval Special Warfare community as SEALs. They received the same training, whether they went to SEAL Teams or Underwater Demolition Teams. The case made by Commander Salisbury on Fox News Channel recently is without merit; Jesse Ventura is a SEAL by any definition.
Larry Bailey, Captain, USN (Ret.)
I respect CAPT Bailey, and he’s entitled to his opinion. However, many of Janos’ contemporaries in the SEAL and UDT communities don’t share CAPT Bailey’s (or Don Shipley’s) opinion.
UDT and SEAL were two different NECs (MOSs, in Army terms) when Janos served. While the initial BUD/S training was common to both, it’s my understanding that 1st assignment after BUD/S determined NEC assigned after completion. The roles and experiences of each NEC were very different. Vets of that community and era say that transfer from UDT to SEAL was routinely available for any UDT who asked.
The Navy unified the two NECs in 1983 or 1984. After that point in time, the issue became moot.
In short: my preference is to give far more weight to the opinion of Janos’ contemporaries who actually served in Vietnam as UDT and SEAL. Many if not most of them say the two NECs (UDT and SEAL) were not interchangeable, and that there WAS a big difference between the two.
http://cursor.org/stories/seal_or_udt_printer_friendly.htm
I also give little weight to “official Navy policy statements” made by PAO types – in this case, the statements equating BUD/S completion with SEAL and stating that UDT and SEAL are identical. The people who served in Vietnam in both communities (UDT and SEAL) say that’s decidedly not the case. Further, I’ve seen many official military policy statements that were absolutely at odds with reality, or driven by political/conflict avoidance/turf protection/PR concerns vice facts. Some were IMO absolute asinine.
I have never been able to personally verify what Janos did after leaving active duty. Per documentation I’ve seen, his records pertaining to his active duty service indicate he was never assigned to a SEAL unit or held the SEAL NEC. However, if CAPT Bailey’s assertion that he served in a USNR SEAL team (not a USNR UDT team) after leaving active duty is correct, Janos might actually have received the SEAL NEC based on his reserve service with a SEAL team. In that case, he’s indeed IMO a legit SEAL. Otherwise, IMO no dice.
Again: I’ve not personally seen official source verification of Janos’ USNR SEAL service. Until I do, I remain skeptical.
Let go of the shovel, Lars. You’ve dug yourself deep enough. Scruff-Face Janos was a proven liar before Chief Kyle kicked his ass.
Chris Kyle never punched him. It is bizarre you are unwilling to even admit to that.
Chris was also a huge liar. His service speaks for itself. His personal claims were bullshit to the point of being an embarrassment to the SEAL community.
He claims he and other SEALS took leave to work for PMCs to shoot looters which is an appalling and shameful violation of his constitutional oath as a service member. It was also mass murder.
It is insane anyone would make that claim.
Probably because I know people who witnessed it personally, Lars! I didn’t see the plane hit the Pentagon on 9/11, but I know some people who did! How many firsthand sources do you have?
Whitey you were an Air Force POG at Dubs I knew you. You were the FOB bitch who escorted locals. You knew nobody.
Really? I was in the Air Force? Huh. You’d think I’d remember something like that.
Uh, no. It’s possible we may have met somewhere, sometime, but I am not that guy. And frankly, you have no fucking clue who I do or don’t know.
It’s just his way of trying to make friends. Be nice to him, if you can. He has some gay sexual fantasies but, I believe, he’s still in the closet, and he has some serious, um, personal issues–what we used to call being ‘touched’ or ‘soft in the head.’
TOW. You see, he probably knew a guy named “Whitey” who was in the USAF. He sees your tag, it includes the name Whitey and voila! you are the Whitey he knew. Like I said, he has some issues.
I’m willing to call it an honest example of mistaken identity. I mean, how many Whiteys can there possibly be in the world? 700,000…800,000 at least?
And I know some people who knew Chris Kyle. Doesn’t mean I’m “connected,” just means it’s a small world. Hell, I knew a girl in high school whose dad was a bodyguard for Swayze. Doesn’t make me special, just means that I do in fact “know a guy who knows guy,” so to speak.
Since that particular young lady has been brought up, I saw her a few times after high school. She was making a pretty good living as a Lady of The Pole, a position for which she was highly-talented.
Face it; you Whiteys all look alike. That’s why he’s confused.
Interesting claim, because even the witnesses can’t agree on what happened that night and there wasn’t a single SEAL that testified they saw a punch.
The only person to have claimed to have seen a punch was the sister of a SEAL.
Is that your “firsthand” source?
How is that term papewr coming, Lars?
No, Lars. Lots of people were there. And plenty of them were never called to testify.
Anecdote? Yes. But a verifiable one.
Because it never happened because Chris was a liar. Prove me wrong show me evidence he was there because numerous people claim he was not there.
Hey, I can play that game, too! Prove to me that he wasn’t there, because people I trust say he was. Why should I believe you instead of them? I don’t even know you, though you did rather rudely accuse me of being somebody I’m not based on…well, I don’t really know what gave you that idea. Even Lars, as much of an ass as he is, never did that.
I’ll play a game.
You wrote:
What you wrote (above) is a lie.
That make you, n00bslam, A LIAR.
So since you are A LIAR, why the fuck should we even give a shit what you have to say? It’s like you are the Kim Kardashian of dumbass.
Read this.
Rhttp://www.maritimetacticalsecurity.com/MtsNews.aspxead this link.
Larsie-parsie puddin’-tame, you’re full of sh!t as usual. The Navy SEAL Association does have the authority to revoke the right for one to legitimately wear the SEAL Trident (or “Budweiser” as it’s known among other Vets) for deeds or actions bringing dishonor upon the Naval Special Warfare community. Jimmy Janos has made a huge clown out of himself. It’s been confirmed that he never set foot in Vietnam yet he’s made that claim, he’s sued the family of a deceased Navy SEAL for money and publicity among other chickenshit stunts. YOU come on here and spout bullshit that’s very easily debunked as well as other vapid cranial flatulence and then you get as confused as a bus load of blindfolded lesbians in a fish market AS TO why you get your candyass chewed up and spit out. You’re at least twice as dense as depleted uranium, my harebrained little imbecile, and I’m sure it came from too many enemas given you by your Mommy, I think it washed at least two thirds of your brain matter out your ass!
Just like Chris Kyle donated 100% of the profits of his book. The guy was a notorious liar. Great Seal does not make some a credible person. I know tons of shitty Seals how about the Seal who was smuggling weapons from Iraq or Jesse Janos.
http://www.ifyouonlynews.com/human-interest/american-liar-chris-kyle-couldnt-shoot-straight-when-it-came-to-telling-the-truth/
http://inthesetimes.com/article/17597/american_sniper_veterans
http://henrymakow.com/2015/02/American-Liar.html
BOY, (yes you, n00b) that’s like quoting the HuffCrap or the DU on something.
I know the Navy can revoke the Trident, just like the Army can revoke the SF Tab.
However, nothing he has done nothing that would justify revoking the Trident.
And you need to provide a source of any verified claims concerning the nature of James’ Vietnam service. All I see is a lot of bullshit.
Lars, you’re blinder than a one-eyed lobotomized 2LT on LSD with a map and a compass!
Read the freaking petition, Taylor.
http://www.maritimetacticalsecurity.com/MtsNews.aspx
It’s a petition to remove Janos from the UDT-SEAL Association – a private organization – for disreputable behavior.
We’ve seen other organizations do similar things (a certain former lifetime member getting booted from the SFA comes to mind). Private organizations can make their own rules for membership and define justifiable grounds/procedures for expulsion, usually do establish such rules/grounds/procedures – and occasionally expel members.
In no case would such actions by or petitions to a private organization such as the UDT-SEAL Association be sufficient to affect the concerned individual’s official military personnel records, whether serving or a vet. Rather, I’ll go out on a limb here and assert that – like revoking an SF tab – revoking the man’s Trident would require an investigation via an official of the USG substantiating cause to do so (probably by the Navy, though NARA now owns those records – so maybe not), followed by an administrative decision by the Navy to do that. Don’t believe any type of investigation has been requested by anyone concerning Janos’ attendance at BUD/S or his right to wear a Trident. If you can document otherwise, please do.
Otherwise: guy, you just showed your ass to the world. Again.
infidel, you may think you have some sort of “higher” credibility.
However, you are the village idiot. I have read thousands of posts on this site and you are without question the biggest moron of the group.
You have no credibility, you just say things that are in line with the conventional “wisdom” of a handful of other idiots.
I also served with an idiot like you once, he was a huge liability because he could not get his head out of his ignorant ass and adapt to the fact that we were trying to work WITH the local population. He did several exceedingly stupid things that harmed our mission and our ability to develop necessary critical relationships with locals. Fortunately his leadership saw what an idiot he was and relegated him to permanent driver so he never interacted on the ground with locals. AND HE STILL MANAGED TO DO STUPID SHIT through the window of his fucking vehicle.
I don’t like morons like you, I do not trust morons like you, and fortunately neither does any agency or unit that has a highly sensitive or critical mission.
Who am I? I AM JACK SHIT, and you don’t know me at all, little boy!!
P.S. Larsie-poo, you also remind me of a Soldier we had in our Platoon who babbled like you do, he got choked out over a half dozen times a day because he didn’t know how to shut his mouth when he was wrong!! 😀
Hey! I am far and away a bigger moron than Proud is!
Ah – but were you ever assigned as the Special Security Officer for Moron AB, Spain?
I absolutely loved the short message address for that office. (smile)
Well…..
no.
🙁
I see no reason to do any of that. Janos is a blowhard, an attention hog, and a has-been who, like someone else we know about, has been trashing his retirement by making an obnoxious ass of himself in public. That’s his choice. His ego gets in his way on a regular basis and makes him extremely obnoxious. He’s as dislikable as they come, and becomes more so with passing time.
It is no reason, however, to strip him of what he did when he was on active duty.
He was not a SEAL, he was a frogman, and underwater demolition guy. He was NEVER assigned to any SEAL team.
So all this arguing over this and that is a waste of time. He most likely won’t get the cash he was hoping for, which means he will probably have to work for a living again. But who in their right mind would hire him for anything?
I see where you’re coming from Ex-PH2, but at the same time I don’t blame the Navy Special Warfare community for wanting to take his Trident given all he’s done and said tainting their image.
He was in SEAL team one as a reservist and earned the trident. It is completely false to say he was never a SEAL. Even the Navy acknowledges he is a SEAL.
Wrong. He was assigned as a UDT and eventually was authorized to wear the Trident. Big difference.
He never served operationally as a SEAL.
Larsie-rudy-poo, i ask again, DO YOU TRY to be as big of a babbling idiot as you can, or does it come to you naturally? I STAND BY my hypothesis that your Mommy gave you a few too many enemas and washed at least 2/3 to 3/4 of your brain OUT YOUR ASS, I’m beginning to contemplate motioning for you and n00bnuts to be given the title of “The DallASS WitLeSs Clones”!
You guys are all looking at this the wrong way. Janos is simply not getting enough attention and must rectify that problem by showing up again, like that odd smell you get when the toilet hasn’t been flushed often enough.
Your onto something Ex-!!!!!
Here you go Ex-PH2
http://www.roadsideamerica.com/attract/images/nc/NCNBEtoilet_adkins_620x300.jpg
Ex-PH2, living fairly close to the Twin Cities, I have to watch this shit stain come on the news more than once a night.
Can’t hit the remote fast enough.
I should think that, with winter setting in up there in the Great Frozen North near International Falls, the mouthy twit would have flown south for the winter by now.
I took this jabroni far more seriously as a wrestling commentator.
He can move to Qatar with “clock boy”.
“Outcast from the SEAL community?”
Right, because the asshole comments he admits he made at McP’s that night wouldn’t have that effect.
/sarc
Oh, almost forgot. As I’ve said before, Janos will never, ever be in “The Expendables.”
…although he IS expendable…
Too bad his mom didn’t have the same thought.
His constant hooting and hollering about being “off the grid” is getting annoying. How about off the planet you shitbag?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYXSk2pzbkk
For a guy who wants to be “off the grid,” he sure is quite the attention whore!
Jimmy Janos is a Dutch Rudder Gang-level attention whore!
You know what’s really sad about all of this? When Janos was asked about being decked by Kyle, if he’d rolled his eyes and said something to the effect of, ‘Yeah well, it wouldn’t be the first time I took one in the kisser for something I said,’ respect for him would have sky-rocketed! Even if it wasn’t true, with input like that, it would have become legend! But instead of that, look at this sorry mess. And now the lawyers are going to play tennis with this case, feed off of it like a pack of hyenas.
You know what, PN? If it’s Janos’ lawyers and the insurance company’s lawyers playing that tennis, I don’t much care. I suspect the insurance company has better lawyers and deeper pockets than does Janos.
I was being facetious in my comment above, but the fact is, the thing that has suffered the most in this whole business is the TRUTH. A dead man’s reputation has been stained, his widow suffers because of it, a man is getting mileage out of it, and lawyers and insurance companies are making and losing money over it. And that gain and loss will be passed on to us — all of us, every single one that has insurance for anything. So yes, I would care what insurance companies and lawyers decide to fight over — because we’re the losers in the end.
No argument.
But the reputation damage can only be repaired – even if only partially – via this kind of legal maneuvering. And if Janos ends up flat broke due to paying his legal fees, paying an extra $1 or $2 on my next insurance policy or two would be a small price to pay to see that.
Jimmy Janos made a career out of boasting an embellished existence. He was not a Navy SEAL. He was not in the RVN. He was never within a thousand miles of RVN. He made over the top claims like “Until you have hunted man, you haven’t hunted yet.” Implying that he had, well, no he didn’t. There are decades of countless claims like that from him.
His claim that the Kyle Estate profited from an embellishment in which his name was never mentioned is absurd. The man built his public persona in part on embellishments. To file a claim in court that a reputation partly built on embellishments was harmed by a veiled embellishment of a legit Navy SEAL is hypocrisy at its finest.
People make claims all the time, Jonn (not John, Jonnie, or JoJo) has made a claim that he loves me. Can I now file in Court for loss of love and affection if he doesn’t give me a reach around?
For me, it has nothing to do with his political positions about anything. It goes straight to the content of his character. Can he file a case in court, sure. I can also file for loss of affection. It is not what can be done but rather choosing what should be done that has defined his character.
Janos makes a big deal out of where the money will come from. It’s the insurance company that will pay, that is his justification. Nobody could have injured Janos more critically than Janos did with his poor choices.
I would file my case in court but even if I won, all I could collect would be a butt can full of half smoked cigars, a few empty liquor bottles, and a web site full of malcontents.
WHAT ABOUT ME, Dave? YOU used my name in vain, but I’ll settle for a shot and a beer.
Come now API you know you are “special”. If a shot and a beer will make it all better I guess thats ok.
OK, a shot, TWO beers and a good SEE-GAR as well!! 😀
But you’d have the memories, Dave Hardass. Memories, and skidmarks.
I will always have the dream of you. Even if you are a Hondophile.
Yes, I am a Hondophile. I admit to it. I admire HOBO for his tenacity and thorough, detailed attention to the subject.
That is the extent of my relationship with Hondophilia.
I will add that when I was putting the smoked sausage and barbecued beans in to an appropriate dish for the microwave, I did not think of HOBO.
I made hashbrowns with onions and bacon, eggs over easy, homemade salsa with the last of the fresh basil and toasted some home baked break.
If only I had a warm hearth to sit with.
That is the extent of my relationship with Hondophilia.
Damn. (smile)
Perhaps we could continue this discussion about Hondophlilia and Hardassery over a warm cup of hot chocolate on the weekend starting with Friday.
The Powerline guys have an important point:
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2014/07/american-sniper-on-trial-the-verdict.php
Only 2 of the 10 jurors think that Janos deserved to win. So if Chris Kyle’s story was a lie, why did the majority of the jury vote against Janos?
As the original Powerline story points out, there were conflicting witnesses, with many corroborating Kyle’s story. There were witnesses from the bar, the publisher, the author, and Kyle’s comments himself from video.
These guys are very experienced lawyers, living in the state where Janos was governor. I tend to give their comments more weight than others.
Well, I guess I am the only one without any personal knowledge or emotional stake in this… wasn’t there, didn’t know Kyle, don’t know Janos.
Been in a shitload of bars where a one-punch fight went unnoticed 10 feet away till it was long over. I think whether Kyle may have exaggerated a thing or two (although it sure seems like everyone else has exaggerated more about him than he ever did) he did a hell of a job for our country and Marines. He probably wasn’t an angel – but everyone I ever regarded as any kind of heroic has always been flawed, since they were human. Janos – well, my impression of him is that on his best days he has contributed less to anything including the country than the dust from Kyle’s boots, and if he didn’t get his blowhard clock cleaned in the bar, he probably should have. Since he wasn’t identified in the book, and essentially was a long-since has-been years before the book, I don’t see damages being wrongfully charged. Taya Kyle should never have allowed her lawyers to accept a 10-2 jury split – that should rank with the OJ prosecution and the Dole campaign for epic ineptness.
I think it got far too much attention because Kyle was murdered by someone he was trying to help out, and that alone sent sales receipts on his book soaring.
If it weren’t for the cash flow involved, it could probably have gone completely unnoticed, even with Janos’s butt hurt claims. He smelled money and wanted it, plain and simple.
Janos was on Kyle’s Widow and estate like either a buzzard on road kill or a slip-and-fall lawer on a car wreck!
You wonder how people get so engrossed in something the rest of the world regards as inconsequential or wholly unimportant. Well, just take a gander at this clown “n00bslam.” He is so fixated on tall tales Kyle is alleged to have told that he is beside himself that we don’t see what he claims to see. We are to prove to him the negative of what he alleges. I’m really tiring of his shit. He throws in a “he was great SEAL” and then follows it with “but”–as if his attack on Kyle is okay b/c he deigned to acknowledge Kyle’s service. I would rather the SOB nobslammer just come out and say, “I worship the ground Jesse Ventura walks on and I despise Chris Kyle” than to continue this idiotic and transparent foolishness. But he won’t. He has deluded himself into believing he is being fair. After all, he did call Kyle a “great SEAL.” (I don’t think he’s bright enough to recognize what he did there.)
I HEREBY MOTION to award the title of “DallASS WiTlEsS JuNiOr” to n00bnuts, do I hear a second to the motion?
I will second. He has proved himself deserving of that dubious honor and more. However, I will continue to refer to him by his real name: nobslammer.
Maybe nobslobber. It’s more a reflection of his closeted self.
I wish this schmuck could be “mistakenly” convicted of some kind of felony, and sent to Oak Park Heights Correctional Facility, or the ADX Florence Federal Supermax Prison. Let him suffer in either one of those for awhile before he’s released. Then he can sue for false imprisonment if and when the mistake is found and corrected. Then he can go live somewhere else in the world outside US.
Jesse, no matter what, was my Governor. That being said, he was vindicated in a lawsuit and was awarded monies. He was, or still is a holder of the rank of Navy SEAL. Some people do not want ‘some ‘ people to win no matter what. Mr. Ventura, or John Janos, did prove his point and nobody can take that away from him. We all need to accept it and move on.
Sorry he was your governor Pete.
Some corrections and other info;
-Navy SEAL is not a rank.
-The lawsuit he “won” was over his character being “defamed”. The same guy who wore pink tights and a boa.
-He lied about his Vietnam service.
-He was UDT originally, not a SEAL. He got the SEAL moniker on a technicality after the training was merged. He never completed full SEAL training.
-He’s ashamed to be an American, but will take American money in a heartbeat.
Shall I continue?
And the point goes to nbcguy. Lets not forget that Janos is also 9/11 Truther.
Don Shiply said he was a SEAL, as was Janos’s brother. They were in UDT classes but I dont know which ones.
No, Senior Chief Shipley did not say Janos was a SEAL. What he said was the Frogmen, the UDT guys, were pipeswinging badasses AND if Janos wants to call himself a SEAL, he may do so because the SEALs were created as a separate rating or job designation AFTER World War II, during the Kennedy administration.
The UDTs/Frogmen came into existence well ahead of the SEALs. They still exist, but as a separate rate or job description. They are basically underwater EOD people.
Ex they are EOD and UCT Under Water Construction Teams came around 1969 and do demo and did all the underwater fiber lines and some of the secret sub stuff.
I left out the dive/salvage people, too. I only wanted to be brief, Chief.
I know every one forgets about our community and the important and good shit we do all over. IT’s all about the SEAL’S and every one forgets that it takes all the other thing’s for those to work well. NECC is major first line support for NSW
Well, not only that, but most people don’t know that SEALs and UDTs have a massive logistics support group behind them. They don’t just pick up guns and hit the bricks.
Exactly, Some support guy’s go on some of those mission’s also like Seabee support guy’s and Navy Intel. Any way that’s my bitch and some problems with stolen valor. Other thing’s happen and people don’t get credit for it. All SEAL’s and SEAL’s not even SWCC
I looked at the video again, as you must have also, and you are correct. I still think that Jesse is a badass though.
So long as you’re willing to accept that he has lied and continues to lie about many things…
Don and CAPT Bailey are entitled to their opinion. However, that opinion is far from universal – particularly among known UDT and SEAL Vietnam vets.
Both Janos brothers indeed graduated from BUD/S – one in a class numbered in the late 40s, and I believe “Jesse” Janos graduated from class 50 circa 1970. Don Shipley has provided the details regarding their BUD/S class numbers elsewhere, and I believe they’re quoted somewhere in these comments.
Prior to 1983/1984, SEAL and UDT were two different NECs. A former SEAL officer of that era (XO for one of the teams, as I recall) has stated that during that time frame the SEAL NEC was not awarded until after 6 months successful service on a SEAL team.
“Jesse” Janos never served on active duty with a SEAL team; as a result, his NEC at discharge was reportedly the UDT NEC. (I think I’ve previously seen a redacted DD214 that showed that, but I’ve not been able to locate it again quickly – hence the “reportedly” above.) His brother, in contrast, was reportedly verified to have served on a SEAL team while on active duty and to hold the SEAL NEC.
Vietnam vets of both communities say UDT and SEAL were distinct when the Janos brothers served, and had very different roles, missions, and exposure to combat – with very few UDTs seeing ground/riverine/littoral combat. SEAL teams lost 34 KIA in Vietnam; UDT teams lost 1. Take a look at that, plus contemporary accounts, and decide for yourself if the two were the “same”. This link is a damn good start. The author has actually done the legwork and summarized the whole situation very well.
http://cursor.org/stories/seal_or_udt_printer_friendly.htm
In my book, until I see official source verification that “Jesse” served as a SEAL with the USNR after leaving active duty, he’s embellishing his actual record. Claiming to be a SEAL is only one of those verified embellishments.
Here’s the DD214 meat and taters
https://www.azuse.cloud/?p=62397&cpage=1#comment-2699691
This is for Lars, because Lars, you are a self-important pompous ass.
Your unfortunate habit of expecting other people to do your work for you, while you take credit for it – which you have done – is not just annoying. It’s obvious you’re too lazy to do your own homework. But saying that people here are making racist and sexist remarks is a complete fabrication and an outright prevarication.
You keep saying you’re going away, but you come right back. And you wonder why people here think you’re an ass? Well, it’s simple: you think your opinion, which has no backup provided by you, is more important than anyone else’s opinion.
You do NOT do the homework.
You do NOT provide backup.
YOU wait for someone else to do it and then try to claim it.
Is this how you;re getting through grad school, as a lazy fuck who expects everyone else to do everything for him?
Your opinion is useless because YOU do not do the work to support it.
And my answer to that is thus:
Behold! The field in which I grow my fucks. Lay thine eyes upon it, and see that it is barren.
This is the first commandment and the second is like unto it.
Thou shalt not wander in my field of fucks, if thou art impure and inebriated for thou shalt fall down upon thy inglorious face and lie in mud like the swine thou art.
And the third doth follow:
Thou shalt carry thy weapon aimed skyward when thou dost enter my field of fucks, for shouldst thou aim it at the dirt with thy booger hook on the bang switch, thou shalt suffer my wrath endlessly.
Here endeth the lesson for today.
Do us all a favor: if you say you’re going to leave, that you’ve had it, that you’re done with us all PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE keep you word on that. Otherwise, you are nothing but a flabby-assed, mouthbreathing twit.
Oh, yeah – while you’re looking down your snooty nose at truck drivers, the average annual income for a Class A CDL OTR driver is $270,000.
Maybe your girlfriend should consider getting a CDL instead of a PhD in a useless subject. Chinese economic politics? Yeah – that and a dollar and a half will get you a lukewarm cup of coffee at a roadside diner.
Oh how I love it when you talk Medieval….
OH, so it’s Lars-cakes that has the “girlfriend” with the “Piled higher & Deeper” in Chinese Politics? Hell, that’s about as useful as a 7-year Bachelors’ Degree in Gender Studies or Underwater Basket Weaving!! I’m a Blue Collar man, and I know I make more right now than his “girlfriend” with the PhD ever will. Hell, I know I make more than each member of the Dutch Rudder Gang, and I make more than one of my roommates on deployment with a Masters Degree in Psych! Getting a Blue Collar Journeyman’s card these days can get someone a better income than a lot of four year college degrees, but pus-brains like Larsie-parsie-rudy-poo will NEVER EVEN THINK of diverging from what their liberal profs who have never earned a living outside of a college campus tell them.
He that cometh in the name of…. <3
Regarding Janos, I prefer this quote from a pirate character in Clavell’s Noble House. From memory, it was very close to this:
“Thee art a fat bag of fart!”
If I weren’t straight and married, I’d propose to ya, PH2. That was just brilliant.
Navy SEAL Chris Kyle served four combat tours and received numerous valor awards. He was despised by the enemy for his effectiveness and was tagged by them as “The Devil of Ramadi.” They placed a bounty on his head, increasing it several times as he reduced their number. Marines and others whom he protected called him “Legend,” a nickname that stuck. Kyle’s lethal skill and his unquestioned motivation to protect others resulted in his saving many lives. How many we will never know. That is his legacy, immortalized in a book, a movie and, most importantly, in the lives and the grateful families of those Chris Kyle saved by eliminating their would-be killers.
Now comes a commenter from the grease pits who, in this blog, makes it his personal mission to disparage Chris Kyle by repeatedly calling him a liar. I wonder what drives this commenter to do so, to besmirch Kyle and pay mere lip service to Kyle’s accomplishments. He reminds me of that slob Michael Moore, whose well publicized view of Kyle and his fellow snipers was that they are all cowards. Coward? Liar? It is terribly sad that some people hold such views but that’s the way it is. For my part, I will do what I can to uphold Kyle’s great legacy when it is attacked by the snots and pukes such as “n00bslam.” It is the very least any of us can do.
2/17 Air Cav: why? Well, some people are just a-holes. That would be my guess.
I wonder if n00bslam isn’t a Dutch Rudder Gang Cocktail-guzzling disciple of *SLUUURP!*41, ditto with Lars? Both of them get madder than Richard Simmons in a pet shop that has no gerbils the moment you prove just how full of sh!t they are!
Likely a Ventura Truther groupie. I can’t think of another reason for posting such insane crap. Janos actions are purely for the money and attention, proof of the reprehensible slug he has become.
Yeah, Janos said time and time and time again–even after he elected to go forward with his suit after Kyle’s death–that he wasn’t in it for the money. Well, in my view, under the then-existing circumstances, if not prior, an honorable man would have dismissed the idea of suing. Certainly, an honorable man who was genuine about no payday would have assigned a potential award prior to suing (less attorneys fees and costs, of course) to any one of good causes or organizations, including the Kyle children. But Janos did not and couldn’t say often enough that he wasn’t in it for the bucks. Instead, he doubled down, likening American military men and women to Nazis and pointing out that the Nazis had heroes too. He truly is a scumbag.
3.5 million illegals -vs- 1 douchnozzel washed up fake wresler …..about even trade I’d say.
Chris Kyle was an American hero, and he told a few really big lies. One of those lies was about a loudmouth former SEAL turned wrestler turned politician turned infotainer that everyone loves to hate. It was still wrong to lie about him.
We have to accept that no one, not even a war hero, is perfect. Chris Kyle was not perfect, and Jessie Ventura is far from perfect.
Chris Kyle was a complicated man, like many warriors, and like many great warriors his best qualities were also his worst qualities. He was larger than life, but the legend was built around a real man. He saw himself as a sheepdog protecting his country, his family, and his fellow veterans from the wolves of the world. This would eventually lead to his death at the hands of someone he was trying to help. Kyle died trying to protect Routh from the internal wolves Kyle himself knew all too well. Routh never saw anything close to the kind of combat and trauma that Kyle saw in Iraq, but he was also nothing close to the man that Kyle was.
Jessie Ventura was also larger than life, but a lot of it, even his name, was made up. He is in many ways the opposite of Chris Kyle. However, there was some truth to the legend. Like Kyle he volunteered for one of the Navy’s toughest and most dangerous jobs in time of war. He did serve as a UDT and earned the Vietnam Service Medal, and he does have the right to call himself a SEAL (note: I know a lot of you will dispute this, so see my notes at the end. Don Shipley and Brandon Webb agree that Ventura has the right to call himself a SEAL)
Chris Kyle had an undeniably incredible record of service and valor on the battlefield. He also told a lot of bullshit stories. The stories don’t change what he did on the battlefield, and I wish we could ignore them, but if we are going to examine Jessie’s record then we have to examine Chris as well. He claimed to have shot looters from the top of the Superdome, he claimed to have killed two carjackers, and he claimed that he punched Jessie Ventura for being a loudmouth in a bar.
One of the truly ironic things here is that the one claim that is getting the most discussion here is the one that everyone can totally agree was the right thing to do. Who wouldn’t want to punch Jessie Ventura? But lets examine the other two claims.
Kyle claimed that he and another sniper were sent to New Orleans to shoot looters from the Superdome, and he claimed to have shot and kill two would be carjackers in Texas.
First off, we know that both claims are false. This is good news, because if the stories were true, then Kyle essentially admitted to executing American citizens on American soil without a trial, and exposed the true power of the federal government by demonstrating that State Troopers will simply take orders from a guy on the phone to let the apparent perpetrator of a double homicide just walk away (and then apparently clean up the crime scene, dispose of the bodies, destroy the evidence, etc).
But why would Kyle tell these stories? PTSD and whiskey are my hypothesis, but we will probably never know. What I do know is that after a few drinks, I tend to embellish my war stories, and I expect that Kyle did the same. I think it is forgivable.
None of this gives him license to slander or libel Ventura. Love or hate Ventura, he has a right ruin his reputation all by himself.
Either Kyle punched Ventura or he didn’t. The preponderance of evidence (and a jury) say that he didn’t. Maybe there’s a kernel of truth- I am guessing that everyone was pretty drunk; who knows, he may have punched someone that he thought was Ventura. Maybe he just fantasized about it. I know I do.
If he did punch him, it should have ended there. Ventura was surely not going to tell the story, and the Brotherhood of Warriors should have considered it to be over- Ventura ran his mouth, Kyle shut him up, instant karma and justice. Instead, Kyle puts it in his book without naming names, but can’t resist telling the world. Telling the world was wrong- even if it did happen.
If he didn’t punch him, Kyle and at least two other witnesses were lying. When confronted, Kyle should have done the right thing and taken it out of the book or at least corrected the record. His buddies should have had the moral courage to tell Kyle what really happened. If this was the case, Ventura had every right to sue.
That said, there is no doubt that Ventura should have dropped it when Kyle was killed. He had the opportunity to be classy and he didn’t take it. Who is surprised?
I have read discussions on this board where the majority of commenters excoriated veterans with undeniable records of remarkable and even heroic service for claiming POW status, unearned awards, etc., but you seem to be the same guys unwilling to question or criticize Kyle. The bottom line is, you guys are full of shit. If we don’t give those guys a pass, we can’t give Kyle a pass. If we give Kyle a pass, then we have to give those guys a pass. It’s that simple.
Kyle was a war hero and a bullshitter. He never profited off his bullshitting, and he never lied about his service. Ventura was a bullshitter who he built a career around a fictional character he created, but he served honorably in time of war and never bullshitted about James Janos.
Heroes have done enough. Can we please stop expecting them to be perfect?
Here are the facts. I know many of you will dispute these, and if you do, we have nothing really to talk about because you are disputing reputable journalists, SMEs, and a jury. I can only shrug and smile politely.
-Chris Kyle did claim to have shot and killed civilians from the top of the
Superdome in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. This was documented by the
author of this piece:
(http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2013/06/03/in-the-crosshairs) as well as
Brandon Webb of SOFREP.
-Chris Kyle claimed to have shot and killed two carjackers at a gas station
in Texas.
http://frontburner.dmagazine.com/2013/02/08/confirmed-american-sniper-chris-
kyle-killed-two-men-at-a-gas-station-in-2009/
-Chris Kyle claimed to have punched Jessie Ventura.
(http://www.twincities.com/localnews/ci_24871717/witnesses-who-saw-seal-snip
er-punch-jesse-ventura)
-Jessie Ventura (aka Jim Janos) made a career out of being flamboyant,
outrageous, and controversial (I don’t think I need a citation for that, but
if you do just google either his wrestling or political career.).
-Jessie Ventura was a SEAL. Both Brandon Webb from SOFREP
http://sofrep.com/36086/truth-jesse-venturas-navy-seal-status/ and Don
Shipley think so: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeO1DUtnKsE
Looking at the number of posts here, I want to point out that more you feed the trolls, the more they’re going to try to get a rise out of you. I don’t need to name names, they’re the ones with genital warts on both stem and stern.