Earlier this month, we reported that Discovery Channel personality, Joe Teti was ready to file a lawsuit against some of our friends. Military Times reports that the suit has been filed in a North Carolina venue;
The lawsuit also names:
The Special Forces Association and its president, retired Army Col. Jack Tobin.
Retired Special Forces Sgt. Maj. George Davenport, a longtime SFA member who added Teti to his Special Forces Poser Patrol’s Facebook “Wall of Shame.”
Former Marine Scott Hughes, moderator of the Military Phonies website, who was among several calling on Teti to produce his active-duty DD-214 and National Guard NGB-22, both official military documents, listing units, schools, awards and other pertinent details of service.
Monique Haina, who the lawsuit claims has posted “dozens if not hundreds” of false and defamatory statements on Facebook and other websites.All are named for alleged defamation and causing Teti financial losses and emotional suffering.
Tobin and the SFA did not respond to repeated requests for comment. Davenport declined to comment until he could consult with his lawyer. Hawke and Hughes deny Teti’s claims.
You can read the lawsuit at the link to the TAH link at the top of this post, if you haven’t read it yet. The folks at Professional Soldiers write to tell us that there has been a PayPal account set up if you’re moved to help the legal defense.
In my opinion, I don’t think Teti has a chance and he’s probably sweating the discovery phase. But, like I’ve said before, this should be no surprise to anyone – it took him about a half hour after our first post about him for him to start threatening me with a lawsuit, and I basically gave him a tongue bath. The man can’t take criticism, even in small doses.
Another clown from the Bernath School of Shitbaggery…sue them, cost them, wear them down.
And to think at one time I was willing to give him benefit of the doubt. Now? Pfft.
Word.
Extra loser Teti is…
Extra WORD.
Was thinkin’ ’bout ya, Sparks. Glad to see ya made it back.
Just one request: no catheter stories this time, please. (smile)
Yep. A perfect example of a SLAPP for reasons other than political.
So, he’s going to try and Bernath his way into the lawsuit? I don’t think that will work because he is spending money on an attorney, too.
I think you meant a tongue-lashing.
Maybe not. Don’t judge. It’s allowed now.
When I take a knee or “take 5”, I always look for a patch of ice or snow to help me out.
I am that hard, It ain’t ever cold enough or wet enough for me.
Stay dry….whatever.
Sorry, but I just need to see this in print again:
“I don’t often drink piss but, when I do, I prefer to drink my own. Stay thirsty my friends.” –Joe
Please! A Spew Alert in advance would be polite.
Teti needs to placate his legions of sycophants so this lawsuit to me isn’t about the merits, but rather the theory that by filing the lawsuit, Teti can tell his fans that he filed it as a means of discrediting and clouding the fact that he is not a combat veteran. So whenever the issue comes up, he can say, “I filed a lawsuit against those who say otherwise.” By the time the court dismisses this because Teti is a public figure, or Teti drops it after the defendants don’t back down to his chagrin and discovery proves he is not a combat veteran, Teti will claim victory anyway by hiding behind the nebulous “it’s classified which is why the case couldn’t proceed all the way.” My opinion anyway.
Tse-tse flies carry sleeping sickness.
Teti-fly is so completely boring and predictable he puts me to sleep.
With the way Joseph Teti is behaving, the “i” in “Teti” should be an “a,” as he’s acting like a boob. 🙄 💡
Reminiscences of Gidduck come to mind…
Yep. Except Gidduck was a lawyer who should have known his chances of success were somewhere around zero and nada.
What a MASSIVE vagina.
He’s going to try to take the title from Jessie Ventura??
No kidding. There is not enough Vagisil or Mydol in North America to satisfy this pussy!
Argh …
Turdbottom…
Thought I might share what I have already posted on topic elsewhere and Teti’s attorney better get used to hearing it:
Joe Teti
It seems Joe Teti who appears in a show called Dual Survivor has filed a lawsuit against several people for calling some of his military claims into question. The bantering going on between all of these people has been eating at me. I am not one to sit on the sidelines and say nothing when I see something is wrong.
Since I get asked about it, I thought I would post my opinion on the whole thing. First, it appears Teti was a Marine. He did serve with RECON. I do not believe that is being disputed by anyone. It seems to me most of this could have easily been solved by Teti a long time ago. There are several parts of this dispute I can speak directly to. By the time Teti had joined the Marine Corps I had several enlistments under my belt. I was still on active duty long after he finished his only enlistment. I am familiar with some of the units he served in.
His attorney states that Teti completed the Special Forces Underwater Operations Course. Several people have done their due diligence and contacted that school only to find out there is no record of him attending. According to his records that I have seen posted online there is no record of that Army course listed. The reality is they are both partially correct. To my knowledge the Marine Corps used the Diving School at Key West and it appears Teti did attend. He then had to complete an additional transition course when he got back to his unit that made you a Combat Diver, it appears Teti did that while in Pearl Habor. The Marine Corps no longer authorizes RECON units to conduct their own Combat Diver training. That change happened after Teti was discharged from the Corps. NDSTC did not include the Combat Diver portion until 1992. At least that is when the Corps began to officially recognize it. The Corps did not call it Special Forces anything. It was simply called SCUBA school. That is exactly what it says in his records. Most any Marine that served during that time would sound the bullshit alarm if someone makes a claim he went to Special Forces Underwater Operations in 1984. Those words were not in the Marine vernacular. The lawsuit seems to claim he did exactly that. No he did not. He was not in the Army, Navy, Air Force, or the Peace Corps at that time. He went to the SCUBA course and then later completed SCUBA school not becoming qualified until he did both. His records show he did not complete both.
It appears that Teti also made claims that he was a Combat Veteran. No he is not. Almost everyone that would ask him what years he served and with whom, would sound the bullshit alarm. Every Veteran I know would. He was not deployed to combat while he was in the military. As best I understand it he is claiming that he was a combat veteran as a civilian. Any reasonable person with a military background would call that nonsense. I do. Here is where the part that really bothers me begins.
He claims to have been in combat as a civilian, while what he was doing was so secret he can’t talk about it. Veterans like me are expected to accept this claim on face value. We are expected to accept that claim even if it is being used as a means to profit. No, I don’t think so. If you are going to use the term combat veteran to profit, you better be able to prove it. If you can’t or won’t prove it, don’t use it.
I was given classified orders while on active duty in the Marine Corps. I had to work with civilians from the ‘Agency’ in the Middle East. I cannot express my disdain adequately for a person who uses what they did during that time as a means to profit. I had to fight to get my travel expenses paid. That time in my life put my family through a living hell. The idea that I would make claims about what I did to profit is repugnant.
Teti lead any reasonable veteran to believe he was embellishing his career for profit. He willingly chose to become a public figure using his military experience to do so. The moment he did that, he was accountable to every person who ever wore a uniform. Including me. I cannot seem to find any promotions of him on this show that say ‘Joe Teti Government Contractor’. Neither can I find anything that says ‘Joe Teti Agency Operator’. Since Teti seems to be incapable of explaining himself to those of us that questioned his military career, let me try to be helpful. As a public figure he could have easily cleared this up with a public statement. I have taken the liberty of drafting my suggestion.
“Hello, my name is Joe Teti. I am not a Combat Veteran. I did not complete what people in today’s military call the Special Forces Underwater Operations Course. I did work as a Government Contractor and it is not appropriate to use those experiences for profit as there would be no way to verify them. I did serve as a United States Marine and with the U.S. Army Reserves. I was inadequately prepared for life as a public figure. To my fellow veterans I would like to express my regrets if I said or did anything that might have reflected poorly upon what it means to serve in the finest fighting forces the world has ever known.”
In summary, these are my opinions. I own them. They do not belong to any third party. I formed them from publicly available sources and my own personal experiences. It is my opinion that any damages Teti may have experienced were self inflicted. Semer Fi.
‘Another Marine’: Spot on Dave Except Teti didn’t complete the combat diver course at Keywest. That was why he was taken out of 2nd Force Recon and transferred to a guard position for 3rd Mar. Div. Then he was reassigned to 3rd Recon Bn. His MOS never changed either.
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Dave Hardin: I noticed that as well. Thats why i used the word ‘Attended’. He knows exactly why that Guard entry appears in his records. I think I mentioned that in my initial post way back when. I too have a Guard entry in my records. I am sure I earned that entry in my records by serving with security forces. I suspect he earned that entry by cutting grass and picking up cigarette buts or the like. That is probably why his MOS for that duty ends with different numbers. I served during the same time he did, lived and worked with some of the same Marines he had to have known. We all lived in the same place. 2nd Force RECON, 2nd Force LSB, 2nd Force ANGLICO, and what was called 2nd Force FAG believe it or not. I was transfered to 2nd Force HQ where Gen Philips and Col Murphy gave me a Navy Ach Medal for operating a desk some Captain was supposed to be manning. I was on the IG team for 2nd Force. Part of my duties during those inspections was to check SRB’s for valid entries. That is exactly what I was doing when Cpl Titties here was with 2nd Force. I was at the same place at the same time with the right MOS and assigned the duties to clearly make the statement ‘His records do not match his claims’.
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‘Another Marine’: So you can and will confirm that when a wrong entry into your SRB, The standard SOP for correcting that mistake is to draw a single line through the mistaken entry ?
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Dave Hardin: Yes, I can confirm that. It was usually striked out with a line and then initialed. The use of white out or correction fluid was not authorized. On the form for his occupation sepcilties and education in the service schools block that I have viewed, the completion date and grade are striked out, initialed and and a date of 8310 was entered into the incomplete column. That is a correct entry for someone that did not complete the school. If there was a ‘mistake’ during that entry the entire line would have been striked and completely reentered correctly. It is done in that fashion so a person can not strike through the incomplete field and enter data into a blank fields later. An entirely new entry must be done. The most common example of this SOP on this page is for those that do not complete an MCI course. The entry is made as if it was competed and then the grade field gets striked and initialed. Additionaly, In the box for Military Occupational Specialties the entry for the MOS is striked out. An entry is later made when he completes the course he did with his unit in Pearl. My opninion is he never completed the first course and that accounts for his MOS no being consistent with most RECON Corporals. If I remember correctly the ACTS Manual code cited is authorization for attendance waiver. Usually due to rank or other limitation. Could have been rank or non completion of the first course or a combination. He appears to be a case equivilent to those that claim they are Navy SEALS because the went to the course but did not complete the training. Was he in RECON, yes it saya so right there in his records. Can he claim he competed the course Special Forces Underwater Operations or its equivelent, NO he can not according to his records.
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Dave Hardin: The only course I am aware of that requires a Marine to start a fire from scratch and survive with limited rations is Mountain Warfare school. There is no indication he made it to that school. I would therefore describe his special ‘survival’ skills limited to water. At different times during my career I held the MOS 0151 as either a primary or secondary. I loved my desk when I had one, never had to wash sand out of my ass as a drawer gunner. Semper Fi.
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Dave Hardin: I have no probem telling anyone, anytime, anywhere, any of that.
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Can we say getting verbose boys and girls. Teti put on his resume that he was in Beirut. Let me be very clear, his records show he washed out of his Scuba school in Key West, FL three days after the bombing in Beirut. That was also 1 day after the Landing in Grenada, in case he tries to feed that line of shit to anyone. At that time the Corps had taken by beloved desk away from me. I was back on the gun line with sand in my ass and yes Teti, I was on my way to Beirut. I certainly do not remember his ass being anywhere in the vicinity of Beirut. Please include this addendum with my suggested apology:
“Additionally I made claims that I was in Beirut, Lebanon. I was not. I apologize to any Marine that was and especially to those who’s sacrifice we should all honor.”
If anyone thinks I take joy in writing any of this you are dead wrong. It makes me sick that I have to. Semper Fi.
Ok, people are killing me with this already. Last post I am going to bed. This is my best guess with the records I have seen. He went to scuba school. Did not pass. Some kind of guard duty. Back to a RECON unit and then back to Scuba school which he did pass. He then gets the MOS 8653. He did not pass both schools. Best I can see in these records he is an 0311 Marine that is scuba qualified. Nothing wrong with that. He does not have 8652 which is jump qualified. He is not both jump and scuba qualified which got you the much revered 8654. You are only considered a Force RECON Marine if you are 8654. Plain and simple.
If all of this confusion exists because Teti failed that course the first time out and is ashamed to admit it, then more shame on his ass. He could have cleared all this up with his records and explaining what did happen. How hard is that. To my knowledge the course he claims he went to was not recognized until 1992 by the Corps.
Of course even if my best guess on this is correct, that still leaves the ‘Combat Veteran’ claim and a copy of a resume that is posted online with a claim he was in Beirut.
Taps, Taps, lights out.
Again,
Dave,
I believe THIS is in order……
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cthHdMDh92E
Very well done, Dave Hardin!
Teti: Do yourself a favor, come clean, admit your ‘error’ correct it and move on, troop. Save yourself some lawer bucks, too. Dave Hardin just offered you the best method of getting yourself clear of this crap, that I have ever seen in my 15+ yrs of dealing with fakers and embellisher’s.
Otherwise, continue with discovery…There is stupid and then, there is stupid. Tighten up, Marine.
Yea, I have about that much time. I got started in the mid 90’s after a guy in a shop I worked in, was running around telling bullshit Nam stories about shooting livestock, cutting ears off of enemy troops, kicking ’em out of helo’s and other shit that falls under “battlefield crimes”.
Mary, Chuck and Steve helped me with it, heh.
Emotional suffering??? Just reading that is giving me the PTSD!
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Om0YxyZyKVk/R3KhUlW14oI/AAAAAAAAAFk/AITIx1ua2Ag/s400/Hurt_Feelings_Report.gif
Maybe he needs this to feel better.
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-xz6vIckV3Ug/T04Qsfsxe7I/AAAAAAAAMlo/NQ-nSRbNUpo/s400/USMC-KISS.jpg
I would donate money to the SF Assn just to write the Discovery request. What a flaming uninformed asshole this guy has to be. What is he going to do, respond the documents are classified.
Doesn’t ‘someone’ have bigger problems to deal with? Like a lawsuit about a helicopter crash, two lost souls and a military type reality show/competition? Or was ‘someone’ not named in that lawsuit?
What little I saw of that two man survival show looked like the hippie knew what he was doing and the other guy was acting like a petulant child. Just my opinion, of course.
He’d be entertaining on Dude You’re Screwed tho. It would be fun to make up his survival kit. I’d include a crying baby doll.
Piss Drinking? Bear Grylls did it first AND did it better. And he is credited with actually saving a couple of kids who got lost and used knowlege gained from his show to survive. Just sayin’.
Will this pissing contest ever end? SOFREP already confirmed my suspicions that this has nothing to do with stolen valor and more about a business deal gone wrong between hawke and teti.
That was kind of my take on it for a while too. I might not have even taken a closer look at his claims until he filed the lawsuit. People in grass huts should not stow thrones.
Never has been a pissing match with me. I exposed Teti long before Hawk-eye came into the picture.
That reporter from SOFREP can pound sand.
Mike96BS, the problem with you and others like you is that you ignore the facts in favor of Teti’s whining reasoning. Really? How about you read about the facts and then get back to us………
Dave Hardin says:
December 15, 2014 at 1:45 pm
Thought I might share what I have already posted on topic elsewhere and Teti’s attorney better get used to hearing it:
Joe Teti
It seems Joe Teti who appears in a show called Dual Survivor has filed a lawsuit against several people for calling some of his military claims into question. The bantering going on between all of these people has been eating at me. I am not one to sit on the sidelines and say nothing when I see something is wrong.
Since I get asked about it, I thought I would post my opinion on the whole thing. First, it appears Teti was a Marine. He did serve with RECON. I do not believe that is being disputed by anyone. It seems to me most of this could have easily been solved by Teti a long time ago. There are several parts of this dispute I can speak directly to. By the time Teti had joined the Marine Corps I had several enlistments under my belt. I was still on active duty long after he finished his only enlistment. I am familiar with some of the units he served in.
His attorney states that Teti completed the Special Forces Underwater Operations Course. Several people have done their due diligence and contacted that school only to find out there is no record of him attending. According to his records that I have seen posted online there is no record of that Army course listed. The reality is they are both partially correct. To my knowledge the Marine Corps used the Diving School at Key West and it appears Teti did attend. He then had to complete an additional transition course when he got back to his unit that made you a Combat Diver, it appears Teti did that while in Pearl Habor. The Marine Corps no longer authorizes RECON units to conduct their own Combat Diver training. That change happened after Teti was discharged from the Corps. NDSTC did not include the Combat Diver portion until 1992. At least that is when the Corps began to officially recognize it. The Corps did not call it Special Forces anything. It was simply called SCUBA school. That is exactly what it says in his records. Most any Marine that served during that time would sound the bullshit alarm if someone makes a claim he went to Special Forces Underwater Operations in 1984. Those words were not in the Marine vernacular. The lawsuit seems to claim he did exactly that. No he did not. He was not in the Army, Navy, Air Force, or the Peace Corps at that time. He went to the SCUBA course and then later completed SCUBA school not becoming qualified until he did both. His records show he did not complete both.
It appears that Teti also made claims that he was a Combat Veteran. No he is not. Almost everyone that would ask him what years he served and with whom, would sound the bullshit alarm. Every Veteran I know would. He was not deployed to combat while he was in the military. As best I understand it he is claiming that he was a combat veteran as a civilian. Any reasonable person with a military background would call that nonsense. I do. Here is where the part that really bothers me begins.
He claims to have been in combat as a civilian, while what he was doing was so secret he can’t talk about it. Veterans like me are expected to accept this claim on face value. We are expected to accept that claim even if it is being used as a means to profit. No, I don’t think so. If you are going to use the term combat veteran to profit, you better be able to prove it. If you can’t or won’t prove it, don’t use it.
I was given classified orders while on active duty in the Marine Corps. I had to work with civilians from the ‘Agency’ in the Middle East. I cannot express my disdain adequately for a person who uses what they did during that time as a means to profit. I had to fight to get my travel expenses paid. That time in my life put my family through a living hell. The idea that I would make claims about what I did to profit is repugnant.
Teti lead any reasonable veteran to believe he was embellishing his career for profit. He willingly chose to become a public figure using his military experience to do so. The moment he did that, he was accountable to every person who ever wore a uniform. Including me. I cannot seem to find any promotions of him on this show that say ‘Joe Teti Government Contractor’. Neither can I find anything that says ‘Joe Teti Agency Operator’. Since Teti seems to be incapable of explaining himself to those of us that questioned his military career, let me try to be helpful. As a public figure he could have easily cleared this up with a public statement. I have taken the liberty of drafting my suggestion.
“Hello, my name is Joe Teti. I am not a Combat Veteran. I did not complete what people in today’s military call the Special Forces Underwater Operations Course. I did work as a Government Contractor and it is not appropriate to use those experiences for profit as there would be no way to verify them. I did serve as a United States Marine and with the U.S. Army Reserves. I was inadequately prepared for life as a public figure. To my fellow veterans I would like to express my regrets if I said or did anything that might have reflected poorly upon what it means to serve in the finest fighting forces the world has ever known.”
In summary, these are my opinions. I own them. They do not belong to any third party. I formed them from publicly available sources and my own personal experiences. It is my opinion that any damages Teti may have experienced were self inflicted. Semer Fi.
‘Another Marine’: Spot on Dave Except Teti didn’t complete the combat diver course at Keywest. That was why he was taken out of 2nd Force Recon and transferred to a guard position for 3rd Mar. Div. Then he was reassigned to 3rd Recon Bn. His MOS never changed either.
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Dave Hardin: I noticed that as well. Thats why i used the word ‘Attended’. He knows exactly why that Guard entry appears in his records. I think I mentioned that in my initial post way back when. I too have a Guard entry in my records. I am sure I earned that entry in my records by serving with security forces. I suspect he earned that entry by cutting grass and picking up cigarette buts or the like. That is probably why his MOS for that duty ends with different numbers. I served during the same time he did, lived and worked with some of the same Marines he had to have known. We all lived in the same place. 2nd Force RECON, 2nd Force LSB, 2nd Force ANGLICO, and what was called 2nd Force FAG believe it or not. I was transfered to 2nd Force HQ where Gen Philips and Col Murphy gave me a Navy Ach Medal for operating a desk some Captain was supposed to be manning. I was on the IG team for 2nd Force. Part of my duties during those inspections was to check SRB’s for valid entries. That is exactly what I was doing when Cpl Titties here was with 2nd Force. I was at the same place at the same time with the right MOS and assigned the duties to clearly make the statement ‘His records do not match his claims’.
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‘Another Marine’: So you can and will confirm that when a wrong entry into your SRB, The standard SOP for correcting that mistake is to draw a single line through the mistaken entry ?
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Dave Hardin: Yes, I can confirm that. It was usually striked out with a line and then initialed. The use of white out or correction fluid was not authorized. On the form for his occupation sepcilties and education in the service schools block that I have viewed, the completion date and grade are striked out, initialed and and a date of 8310 was entered into the incomplete column. That is a correct entry for someone that did not complete the school. If there was a ‘mistake’ during that entry the entire line would have been striked and completely reentered correctly. It is done in that fashion so a person can not strike through the incomplete field and enter data into a blank fields later. An entirely new entry must be done. The most common example of this SOP on this page is for those that do not complete an MCI course. The entry is made as if it was competed and then the grade field gets striked and initialed. Additionaly, In the box for Military Occupational Specialties the entry for the MOS is striked out. An entry is later made when he completes the course he did with his unit in Pearl. My opninion is he never completed the first course and that accounts for his MOS no being consistent with most RECON Corporals. If I remember correctly the ACTS Manual code cited is authorization for attendance waiver. Usually due to rank or other limitation. Could have been rank or non completion of the first course or a combination. He appears to be a case equivilent to those that claim they are Navy SEALS because the went to the course but did not complete the training. Was he in RECON, yes it saya so right there in his records. Can he claim he competed the course Special Forces Underwater Operations or its equivelent, NO he can not according to his records.
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Dave Hardin: The only course I am aware of that requires a Marine to start a fire from scratch and survive with limited rations is Mountain Warfare school. There is no indication he made it to that school. I would therefore describe his special ‘survival’ skills limited to water. At different times during my career I held the MOS 0151 as either a primary or secondary. I loved my desk when I had one, never had to wash sand out of my ass as a drawer gunner. Semper Fi.
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Dave Hardin: I have no probem telling anyone, anytime, anywhere, any of that.
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Whatever.
His FB page:
https://www.facebook.com/JosephTetiDualSurvival
myke here
don’t much care what the naysayers think
anyone who knows me knows money don’t drive me.
i helped that guy, i gave him my blessings to go do his thing after he did me wrong, i tried over and over to ask him to leave me be. some folks can’t get their head around it. a guy who lies like that, does alot more wrongs too. i ain’t got any kinda track record of lying, or snivelin’ or doin anyone wrong.
and shame on folks who think that lowly. i went to war when the nation called. i always served my brothers and my people. the facts are there plain to see for anyone lookin’.
he started the lie about this being business and jealousy. let the fools believe what they want, just like he spun the yarn to them. enjoy that.
and the sofrep guy is entitled to his opinion, but i disagree, regardless of teti. stealing valor is wrong- plain and simple. if you don’t see that, then there ain’t nuthin’ else to discuss here.
that man claimed to be a combat green beret, this year, to christians, speaking about god, sharing the stage with duck dynasty, for the wildfire weekend. he took money from the public claiming to be a combat green beret of haiti. that’s called lying, that’s called stealing valor.
and his bio on discovery says he had 20 yrs in special ops? try 10, part time. it says he had 10 yrs in combat? try 1, as a contractor. sorry folks, if you can’t see that as wrong, then too bad. most can.
i’m done here, gotta get back to being sued for telling the truth. and naw, we ain’t backin’ down. be well, salute to the truth keepers and happy holidays all. even those who don’t care about stolen valor- may no one steal from your stockings.
🙂