Mary sends us a link about Johnny’s Bar which has been ordered by Huntington beach to remove their sign (pictured above) that honors veterans and POWs especially.
“We just received notice that we have 2 days to remove our sign,” the bar says on its Facebook page.
They went on “the city says there was a complaint made about it [because] rooftop signs are illegal!!!! Who would complain???? They said it must be removed in TWO DAYS… A sign that has been on this roof for 30+ years they are giving TWO DAYS…”
The Facebook post says the owners are willing to pay the city of Huntington Beach, California the penalty of $960 instead of giving in.
Yeah, I’m wondering what coward would complain to the city about it and why would the city give them just two days to remove it after it’s been there that long. You can support them at their Facebook page.
The city has given them a 90 day extension, and they are trying to negotiate a deal… there also is no fine being levvied by the City at this time. They still need our support.
At Johnny’s website is this—and it was there BEFORE the city’s action: ”Because of their countless sacrifices, we can kick back, have a couple of drinks….” It is in a piece entitled, “Thank a Veteran for your Freedom.” What the rest of it says is worth reading. They point out, in so many words, that the stars who drop by the place are only entertainment but that the real heroes are what they want to hear about, like the 18-year-old who dove on a grenade or the firefighters and police officers who responded to the WTC on 9/11. Here’s the link:
http://johnnyssaloonhb.wordpress.com/
I am getting really annoyed with liberals. It is not enough yet to get me to consider joining the Republican Party. But if it continues who knows where it will lead. They, the liberals, go on and on griping about NSA survealence as if they think that they have a right to privacy. That is almost as dumb as making someone take down a sign honoring veterans. These two issues of freedom of speech and survailence are actually closely related.
The Freedom of speech issue has its own nooks and crannies as well. For example should a sign that is not commercial in nature be subject to the same roof top constraints as say a sign for Miller Lite Beer? If a person can put up a sign that breaks zoning laws for veterans should a sign for a political candidate then also be allowed? It looks to me like this is a matter for Super People. Just so you understand Super People are not from some far off planet like Super Man. No they are groups of 12 or 13 people who get to hear all of the arguements that two lawyers wish to make. Then they usually make a decision.
Yet that is not the end of the story. Because I say that there is another thing that needs to be considered. That is can what a governement place on its roof top be held to any different standard that what a private citizen places on a roof top?
I for one would say that there is a difference.
Anyone can understand that a government building in the USA can not have a crucifix placed on the roof. But what about a flag honoring confederate veterans? What about flags that honor the confederacy? If I were one a jury I would say that this is clearly a no go. But some people might complain about that. They would say Curt, you forked tooth devil. You are opposed to honoring those who fought to create a new state in North America in 1861 yet you would happily fly the flag of the 1920s Irish Republican Army Flag from a US government building! Just as there are a hell of a lot of citizens in the USA who would take offense to the stars and bars and its spinoffs there are just as many Americans and Canadians who are visiting the USA who would be offended by the IRA flag.
I would contend that there is a key difference in the two flags. In the first case those Americans who are offended by the stars and bars have every right to be offended. In the second case those who are offended by the IRA flag have clearly not found enlightenement. They still need to learn something about equality before the law.
This is the end of part one. In part two I will launch a venamous attack on the senseless liberal fear of big governement. How on earth can they expect a government to serve its function as a Nanny if the government does not monitor our thoughts and behavior?
Curt, it’s a little early in the day to be on a roll of incoherence. Forked tooth? Please, before you use a simile, make sure you have the right words. The meaning of your message gets buried in your haste to speak. Try to be more clear.
For anyone who wants to use the word ‘surveillance’, the VERB from which it comes is surveiller. Surveiller is a French verb. The illiterate libidiots, who were asleep in high school, have taken to shortening ‘surveiller’ into ‘surveill’, which is incorrect.
It’s a libidiot abuse of French in an attempt to look smart, which, as we all know, they aren’t. Do you wish to be associated with libidiots? Are you going to start sniffing wine now?
Ex-PH2: according to the online sites of Miriam-Webster, Oxford, and multiple others, the term “surveil” – meaning to keep/place under surveillance – is now considered standard English. It’s yet another term from foreign languages and/or popular use that’s become a part of the language.
Now, as for ol’ Curt “Dolboyeb” Kastens, here . . . well, he’s commenting from a Deuche Telecom IP in Germany. (Yeah, I know – I left out a letter “t”. Somehow that just seems a more apropos spelling since we’re talking about Curt-boi.) There, it’s mid-afternoon. He’s probably been hanging out at the cheapest gasthaus dive bar within 15km or so of Mainz Stadtzentrum since it opened and conning patrons there into buying him the cheapest bad gluwein available with some sad story while he pirates wireless service from the neighbors.
Oh, I almost let this slip in my effort to exploit Curtsy’s rambling discourse.
Advertising is allowed under the 1st Amendment, in the Bill of Rights. Someone who doesn’t like vets/military/you name it has a hair up his backside about the support for vets and military. So a business owner has to take down the sign for his business, which has been there for a while, because someone doesn’t like vets?
Welll, I’d find out who that someone is and mock him in public. Freedom of speech, you know.
Curt…tl, dr.
I was there a couple of times when I lived in HB. Dive bar, but in a good sort of way. Still not getting why the city of HB told the whiner to eat a steaming bag of dicks.
I think I have a reason to visit California now, I would like to shake Johnny Kresimir’s hand and thank him for being a stand up guy with respect to honoring America’s true heroes….
Plus they have clean bathrooms and scented lotions? What the h3ll kind of Dive Bar is that? Sounds like a nice clean place to get a decent drink at a decent price…pour your own PBR if you want….sounds okay to me.
Here’s wishing you continued success Johnny’s Saloon! Some of us understand what you are doing and we thank you for it…
I knew a Curt Kastens growing up in Michigan, he and his brother Steve were friends of mine when we were kids….just can’t be he same guy though…..
@9 Old Tanker
Michigander here too
Instead of the local Government caving to the sniveling Vwp-type snotnosed coward, he/she/it ought to have to explain to a room full of Vets why he/she/it bawled about the sign in the first place!
I must say I am surprised that J. let my previuosly rambling stay up. Perhaps he just has not gotten out of bed and not seen it yet. So as to the comment by Ex PH2 about advertising being allowed by the first amendment. I would just like to remind everyone that the first amendment does not allow advertising with out restrictions. For example there are restrictions on Cuban Cigar advertisments and the like. There are also zoning laws that regulate advertising. In this particular case the ban on roof signs could have something to do with the safety of low flying helicopters. Now if this ban has not been enforced for 30 years a jury should certianly be aware of that fact and act accordingly.
But I digress from my apparent purpose for this post which was to express by growing disalusionment with left wing leaders in the USA.
Some might say, that if I am such a slow thinker that I am just now starting to figure out that liberalism, what ever it is, can not work that I should stop refering to myself as a political savant and instead refer to myself as a political schmuck. But I would like to defend myself by saying that I have gone in to intellectual places that conservatives have only heard rumors about. When one gets caught in a forest of rose bushes one has to move with a lot of agility to free ones self from the thorns of thought crime.
So while this is no confession, or an apology it is an opening. The liberal hang up against the NSA and who ever else in the US government that has been spying (monitoring) on who ever they damned well feel like is misplaced. They costantly harp about how this monitoring will have a chilling effect on free speech and that it will create a government that can destroy anyone that the leaders of that government do not like.
This first fear is nonsense. The second is overblown. First of all any American who is silenced because he or she is afraid that they will go to prison if they say something that is unpopular does not deserve to be an American Citizen. Of course an American Citizen need not go in to a secret meeting of the local KKK and proclaim himself or herself to be a Communist.
The male black widow spider does not approach the female to directly if he hopes to get away with his purpose in life. They are actually better at it than you might think. I have read that 90% actually get away. The liberal idea that those in power are going to play fair in order to keep their power is totally unrealistic. Of course they are going to want to know what people in Green Peace, or the occuppy movement are up to. To take a past example they of course wanted to know what those in the civil rights movement and the anti Vietnam War movement were up to because these movements spawned the SLA and the weather underground. Just as the FBI was spawned by the prohabition movement. Radicals grow out of reformists.
The citizens of America are supposed to take great pride in being able to bring their grienvances to the government. But if the the political system is no longer working as advertised how are those who are charged with protecting the powers that be going to know that there are people with grievances unless they monitor them? Of course the next question is will they give a shit since those people do not sign thier pay checks and they are a small despised minority who think that they see a reality that most people do not whén in fact they live in their own fantasy world that has nothing to do with what is real? So it is important to both sides that this monitoring take place. The monitors get to justify their salaries to those who sign their pay checks by claiming that these dissedents are unstable loners who might do something terrible and the monitorees get to justify their failure to see the world as all the half way intellegent people in positions of power see it.
Now the second fear of the liberals is that the vast array of tools that the government has to monitor our thoughts and behavior will create a system that can not be challenged if it should be taken over a group of people like the Nazis.
This is not a totally unreasonable fear. It is a problem that can be reduced however. You reduce it by making sure that these capabilities are in the hands of a large number of responsible, usually white males, who have all graduated from responsible universities like West Point, the Naval Academy, the Air Force Academy, Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Chicago University, and have been vetted through clever scenarios to make sure that the selected personnel do not have any qualms about following a dominate male personality.
Now if that is not enough to give a reasonable person a feeling of security an additional step could be taken. That would be to train people who go to all of the irresponsble places like Berkley and Howard how they can counter all of these methods of monitoring when they actually have somthing of importance to hide.
Now there is a draw back to this method. It could become apparant that someone is hiding something. That is actually a good thing becasue 99 percent of the time someone is hiding something it is because they know that it is not very defensible.
@12 Curt, most of us as conservatives get accused of listening only to our own echo chamber. Nothing could be further from the truth. We also get accused of being heartless and cruel. That’s also untrue. Most of the folks on here are widely read and informed, on both sides of the issues that we discuss. If we sound cruel, it’s because we dont’ engage in fantasy when reality is called for.
Jonn certainly did see your post — he misses very little that goes on here. If he left it up, it’s because he felt there was merit in what you said.
Jesus H. Tapdancin Christ on a cement bicycle, Curt!
Don’t you have anything better to do, like play in traffic?
Be aware that reading post 12 more than once will make your IQ drop by at least 2 points…
@15. Thanks. I need to retain every point I have remaining so I didn’t bother reading it once, let alone twice.
VOV–I tried to read past the third line and kept hearing bells going off in my head.
Or maybe it was the Marine Corps Hymn…yes, I’m sure that was the key indicator of my dropping IQ.
Curt, just because I used your name in a sentence, it doesn’t give you an excuse to continue to let everyone in the world know that you are an incoherent, drunk, rambling, dorkwad and an asshole, all in one day.
It would be far better for everyone if you learned to cut the crap and get to the point.
AS it is, if Jonn decides to delete your drivel, I fully support his decision, because frankly, you need to learn to use the return key, edit your copy, and make your point quickly.
Is that simple enough for you? Or should I put it in some seriously unpleasnat German, Arschloch?
@16 and @17
I am thinking that Curt is looking to post some essays that show Gordon Duff he’s ready to contribute to the interesting world view that is Veterans Today…
There appears to be no other reasonable explanation for the pile of text.