Rurik sends: Larry Bailey under fire.
Some of Ron Paul’s most avid (some say “rabid”) supporters are not friends of America. The Marxist group “Code Pink” are frequent and vociferous supporters of the good congressman, as are “Iraq Veterans against the War,” a Soros-funded group that is sometimes violently opposed to any American intervention overseas, no matter how justified it may be.
Code Pink, headed up by Medea Benjamin, shows up at any anti-American gathering that happens to have media (no pun intended) coverage scheduled. That organization is frequently joined by IVAW in its pursuit of America-bashing.
Now, Rep. Paul cannot be held totally responsible for who attends his rallies and who organizes his Iowa Straw Poll effort, but the public should not be kept in the dark about who it is that has become so close to the congressman.
Rurik is referring to some of the comments there as the ‘fire’. Larry’s seen much worse so I doubt he’s much moved, but it might be fun to join in if so inclined.
Coupla caveats: Larry is a friend (as is Rurik) and I’m proud to say that I’m one of the dozen or so who helped pull off GoE-1, so I’ve seen much of what Larry describes. Secondly, much of what Larry discusses in his article is NOT news to regular TAH readers.
Jonn adds:
Adam Kokesh and his upside down flag and IVAW banner at a Ron Paul rally in DC.
“Why was the Tea Party started? I can answer that because I helped start the Louisiana Brand, then I left because of all the infighting from people who want control. We started the Tea Party because of one word CONSTITUTION! The left and the right has gotten away from believing in it. The current administration thinks it is outdated and should be re-written or thrown out. Ron Paul is one of the few who has actually read it and believes in it 100%. If you ask me, that is the root of the Tea Party.” See below.
Thats why no one asked you, because you’d be wrong. I’ll give him credit for supporting the Tea party and some of its goals, but he didn’t create it. This is the same nonsense his son pedals and is simply not true. The Tea party is not a Paulite invention. Santelli coined “Tea Party” in 09′, and there were already sporadic challenges before hand. There was a semifamous woman(sorry can’t recall name at the moment) who started a protoprotest organisation long before in the Northwest.
“If you want to start calling people paulbots/paultards or whatever else, all that will happen is we will become fragmented and fall apart and we will end up with obummer in his second term. I am not saying “vote for my candidate” but we are supposed to be smarter than the left.” See below.
Everything you’ve just described is exactly what the Paulites do and have done over the last few years. Their behaviour and poor sport attitude, is very similiar to the lefts’. Their near constant personel vendettas that go far beyond the typical nasty campaign, are typical, not an aberration of this primary.
“Our southern border is wide open with a war that comes across daily. Paul wants to bring us home from Iraq and seal that border.” See below.
NO HE DOESN’T!!! Did you see his response at the Reagan library? Easily one of the dumbest reposts I’ve ever heard. makes Carter look intelligent. This one issue alone I could never vote for him. Go look it up numbnuts!
That is not a defense of Rick Perry or any of the other GOP hopefuls. I don’t suspect any of them is seriously going to secure the border either. They say just enough to appear to do so.
I will leave your Iraq/Afghan delusions for another time.
Cedo
CEDO,
How in the hell do you have the right to tell me I am wrong for my part in the tea party? I did what I did for and because of the constituition. If your “all knowing ass” would have been at the first one here in Louisiana, you would have seen that 80% give or take of the signs had the word constituition on them. I also never said that Paul started the tea party. That is an idiotic talking point from paul haters. Not a fact.
The Iraq Afgan debate???? Bring it on! I did fight in Iraq and I can speak to it any way I want! I earned that right. Iraq was a dumb idea. I dont know many troopers who support Iraq. We fought there for each other. The problem with alot of folks is that when someone says a war wasnt necessary, you automaticaly assume that they are leftists. BS. I couldnt get more to the right. My conservative views would scare most people. I think it is total BS that my friends died for some dumbass Iraqi to pretend like he wants deomocracy. Those idiots in the middle east will never have democracy. Look at egypt and lybia. First thing out of their mouth after the government is gone is sharia law. What do you think is going to become of Iraq when we leave? The dumbasses will kill each other. The Kurds will be slaughterd for their oil and Iran will take the south and east portions. Give me one good reason why we went to Iraq? Dont use the lame ass excuse of WMD. WHy the hell didnt all of us go to Afganistan and destroy the enemy there? We keep pussy footing around with wars and trying to play nice. Look what it has gotten us. That war has been ongoing for ten years.
If I was a supporter of perry with the same views that I have listed, no one would say a word.
My reasons for supporting Paul are simple. Look what the left is doing to us. Look what the same old BS from the right is giving us. We need to alter the course we are on or we will end up looking like a third world country. Hell, in alot of ways, we already do. I think Ron Paul is the best choice to fix the mess we are in. If you dont, then vote for someone else. It doesnt matter anyway, the media has already picked who we are stuck with anyway.
How many of you voted for McCain as the lesser of two evils last time? I did. I didnt serve in Vietnam, but most vets I talked to who did say the same thing about McCain. He sucks.
Another point on the Tea Party for CEDO,
We had a retired col. that alot of you know drive all the way from Florida to run up and down the road at our first tea party with an Amercian Flag yelling things like save our Constituiton.
How in the hell is it not about the constitution?
Bulldog, go sell crazy somewhere else. We’re all full up here.
I am crazy because I am free to chose for myself? Sorry, I wont let the TV or a couple of bloggers tell me who to vote for. That is not the America I live in. That is the America the Left is trying to give us. There is alot of Paul supporters here, they just wont admit it. That is why he wont get elected. You are “crazy” if you like Paul.
Perry will get the nomination, he will chose someone like Jindal or another RINO as his VP. All his dirt will come out and 0bummer will get the WH again. Then we are in a deeper pile of stinking shit.
“There is alot of Paul supporters here, they just wont admit it.” Well, that’s your opinion. My take on Mr. Paul is that, if nominated, he’d be crushed worse than Mondale was by Reagan. Just my opinion, but there it is. Because I don’t think Paul could carry Texas, Mondale at least carried his home state, and I don’t think (opinion again) Paul will carry another state.
An election is not like a straw poll, where you can pack the room with supporters.
I really do not believe that Paul can win. Is everyone happy now?
IMHO, no one else running has my belief system. IMHO, the rest are either power hungry, or would cave at the first sign of trouble. I want a strong president who will fight the left in everything. NEVER CAVE IN. No matter what. McCain was a caver. He is always out to “reach across the isle” BS. Screw reaching across the isle.
They will never let Paul get the nomination. They will never let Herman Cain get the nomination. The right has three choices, Romney, Perry, or dont vote. I will never vote for the lesser of two evils again. If 0bummer gets re-elected, we had all better start getting along, because we are all on a short list with them.
I want a strong president who will fight the left in everything.
Then Paul isn’t your man. Not even close. As I’ve stated before, he and Kucinich are damn near ideological twins, especially when it comes to foreign policy.
“Screw reaching across the isle.” You’ve said something I can agree with, reaching across the aisle is what’s gotten us to where we are. It doesn’t work, the ones you reach across the aisle to, grab your hand and, with the other hand, take your wallet.
So, in the absence of a “perfect candidate”, I’ll just have to make my decision on who has the most ideas I can agree with, and vote accordingly.
“I will never vote for the lesser of two evils again.” Well, then I guess if folks feel that way, we’re doomed to another 4 years of the crap we’re getting now.
I live in Louisiana. I dont get a vote until November of next year. No candidate even visits us down here. Even our November vote doesnt carry much weight. My state cant even get rid of the rino, Jindal. He sure fooled alot of us. I hold out hope that the folks in the Iowa, etc., do their homework on all the candidates.
#52 So typical for a Paulbot! Basic reading comprehesion is beyond you, dumbass. I left you a few choice directions you could have looked up for yourself. Instead, like a Paulite berserker, you didn’t think and came at me axe swinging. Seeing your prophet’s message being challenged was too much for your small mind. Okay lets dance bitch!
“How in the hell do you have the right to tell me I am wrong for my part in the tea party?” Remember that document you keep referring to? The one you said you read but I doubt you actually did. You know, The CONSTITUTION? Which didn’t just pop out of thin air, but descends from an English/Brittanic tradition and culture dating nearly to 1000 years before. It allows me to criticize anything I wish and I chose a ignorant nitwit like you. To be accurate, I was challenging your knowledge of the movement, not whatever irrelevent post you had, douche.
“If your “all knowing ass” would have been at the first one here in Louisiana, you would have seen that 80% give or take of the signs had the word constituition on them.” Thats good, they might have been sending you, the official Louisiana “Tea Party” dunce a messsage to read it. There are people out there(nearly entirely on the left) who are/have been attempting to undermind and sabotage our governing document. Then there are those who ascribe to different policy preference then I do. That does not mean what actions, laws, taxes, they want enacted are unconstitutional. Get the difference peabrain?
The Constitution is a governing document, that is all. It does not tell you how big your armed forces must be. Or how high or low your tariffs should be. Or the general type of currency that must circulate. It is generally silent on such policy matters, because it allows our representatives the freedom of action to make such decisions. It is a spine or frame for governess, not governess in itself.
“I also never said that Paul started the tea party. That is an idiotic talking point from paul haters. Not a fact.” No its fools like you who keep implying that he started it, or was in the Van Guard of it, or some other nonsense. Rand Paul has made this connection more then a few times. There are Paulbots who are in the Tea Party, but it is not a Paul movement or creation in anyway. There are what we would call more(or at least as many) social conservatives then libertarians. People flocked to the movement’s banner, most not specifically Ron Paul. He is not the Bonnie prince Charlie of the cause in anyway.
“Why was the Tea Party started? I can answer that because I helped start the Louisiana Brand, then I left because of all the infighting from people who want control.” Somehow I have a feeling this point of view comes about when you realized you were dramtically outnumbered by people who didn’t agree with you. You either left or were booted soon thereafter.
As regards to Iraq, we had a long simmering feud with Saddam, dating back over a decade. His constant undermining of inspectors and uncooperative nature forced a moment of truth. President Bush pulled the trigger, hoping to use Iraq an experiment to sell our democratic franchise as opposed Al Qaida(or Iran’s) theocratic one.
“Those idiots in the middle east will never have democracy. Look at egypt and lybia. First thing out of their mouth after the government is gone is sharia law. What do you think is going to become of Iraq when we leave?” This I hope your wrong in, but I suspect you maybe right.
“Give me one good reason why we went to Iraq? Dont use the lame ass excuse of WMD.” WMD for one, we did not know at the time he didn’t have them. Even foreign nations who did not support the war, thought he did. Two, the 50,000-100,000 members of just Al Qaida, who were pulled in from every nook and niche in the world to died in Iraq. A crippling defeat they still have not recovered from despite sanctuary across from Afghanistan.
“WHy the hell didnt all of us go to Afganistan and destroy the enemy there?” We did. The insurgency in Afghanistan didn’t really take off until 05′-06′. Thats when the Pakistan Army ceased making any serious attempt to campaign on their side of the border. Then they turned their attention back towards India.
They did this through multiple tribal treaties. The tribes would agree to police themselves, and not support Foreign franchises, in exchange the army would stay out of these areas. The problems is some either had no intention of adhering to this or killed those tribal leaders who did. This created areas effectively governed by entities outside the state of Pakistan. Not only have allied Lashkars(tribal miltias) been beaten, but the Pakistani Army has been outright defeated at least three times!!! Pakistani/Afghan Taliban, LET, HIG, and Al Qaeda’s Shadow Army all comingle beyond government control.
“We keep pussy footing around with wars and trying to play nice.” I agree, but this has more to do specifically with the “benevolent” school of counterinsurgency that has gone main stream. Infecting parts of the senior leadership and certain units since 09′.
“If I was a supporter of perry with the same views that I have listed, no one would say a word.” I doubt that very much. You mistake opposition to Ron Paul as adherence to Perry and your simply wrong.
“We need to alter the course we are on or we will end up looking like a third world country. Hell, in alot of ways, we already do.” I totally agree, but Paul won’t fix any of that he will only drain some of our few remaining strengths further. I will say again, he has no intention of securing the border. Look at his response at the Reagan Library, its a Libertarian rejoiner so silly you can’t take it seriously. Again if you read my earlier post(or followed the first post to the rightscoop) you would have known that.
“I think Ron Paul is the best choice to fix the mess we are in.” Then you are naive, plain in simple. He will do far more damage then most of the medocrity who stand on stage with him.
“How many of you voted for McCain as the lesser of two evils last time? I did.” Me too, and we was. I thought McCain would be a terrible president, though Obama would be much worse. Though no where near as bad as he’s been. I was born in the last three months of the Carter Administration, so I can hardly claim to have lived under him. Obama’s stewardship has been the worst in my lifetime. He can say he “got” Bin Laden on his watch, and thats it. There has not been a single other success.
53# “Another point on the Tea Party for CEDO,
We had a retired col. that alot of you know drive all the way from Florida to run up and down the road at our first tea party with an Amercian Flag yelling things like save our Constituiton.
How in the hell is it not about the constitution?” Phew, thought I was the only one(sarcasm off). Who said he followed you or the Paulites, douche? We also had a Tea Party rally, in Morristown New Jersey. It may be hard for you to believe, but there were actually rallies… outside of yours, numbnuts.
57# “They will never let Paul get the nomination. They will never let Herman Cain get the nomination.” Hey you didn’t mention McCotter, see must be a Paulite conspiracy.
“The right has three choices, Romney, Perry, or dont vote. I will never vote for the lesser of two evils again.” Then the war is truly over, Obama dropped the big one. I have no love for Perry or squishy Romney but they can’t be worse then Obama. If I can’t have Ron I’m staying home, typical Paulite poor sport. Its funny because that is exactly how I feel about a Paul nomination.
“I live in Louisiana. I dont get a vote until November of next year. No candidate even visits us down here.” You too? I live less then twenty-four miles from New York, in Morris County, the most Republican county in North Jersey(last I recall the nation as well). Once Dick Cheney, stopped for a fundraiser at I think the Hilton. Governor Christie is from Mendham, two towns over. He’s the best and only show we got. So excuse me for not weeping for you.
P.S. Now Bulldog, read all of that very carefully. Reread it, take your time, then carefully type out a well thoughtout response.
One who CLAIMS to break sticks on the backs of soldiers (cedo),
You sound exactly like what the typical republican would say. Which campaign do you work for?
I put forth my opinions and you put forth yours. Under what reasoning do your views become automatically correct and everyone else is wrong. That would be the arrogance of cedo alteram. You call me a paulite beserker??? It sounds more like you are the one that cannot accept anyone elses view. You probably have a mental picture of me as a young dope smoking fool who wants drugs legalized and that is why I support paul. Not all Paul supporters are the 9/11 truther idiots that sit around and smoke dope all day. If you assume that you would be wrong. Assumptions are like assholes, we all have one and they usually stink. I struggled long and hard to pick paul as my candidate. The Iran thing still bothers me alot. I was on the Iranian border and watched them watching me for two months in 03. my tank ran over an iranian mine left over from the 80s. My ears still ring from that. I know what iran wants to do. I also know that just because a presidential candidate says he will leave iran alone doesnt mean it will happen. Paul, unlike the others, wants limited government and does understand that it takes congress to approve his agenda. He would never have done what 0bummer did in Lybia. I agree with most of his views. Not all. I agree with less of the other candidate’s views.
That is why I left the republican party and became an independent. Your assumptions about me and my beliefs show your small mind. You assume that because a few Paul supporters are loons that we all are. There are alot of loons that support perry, et al.
I am a libertarian. You may think that is wrong, but I do not give a shit. I am not some stupid kid that needs your guidance or approval.
You go research someone elses nickname from centuries ago and give yourself that title and that is supposed to impress me. Not likely. You can give me you OPINION about Paul all day long and I can give you mine about whoever you are chosing to support and it will mean nothing. At the end ot the day WE have to vote our own way.
I have heard the “if you choose not to vote for the lesser of two evils, we are lost” BS too many times now. It has been tried by the right and left for too long. That BS is the reason that we always end up with slight variations of the same brand every cycle.
Lets go back to Iraq for a minute. I served in DS and OIF. Once again as I said “quit pussy footing around” When they stopped us from killing the enemy and put us into force protection mode in 91, I sat on a checkpoint inside Iraq under an overpass. We witnessed nightly what saddam’s army was doing to the folks our government told to rebel. Our governent did nothing. They would come to our check point with bullet wounds and chemical burns. If Iraq was so important, why didnt we finish the job in 91 and avoid the mess we are in now? Why did we wait until 03 to go in and do what we did? We should have continued on to bagdad and removed saddam then. It sounds to me like you are someone who watched it all unfold on cnn and fox. I was there for both DS and OIF and did the kuwait intrinsic action thing in between. What could have been done in one to two years has now taken the better part of a decade and is still not near the finish. the fools in dc can bring us down to 3000 troops if they want, but that doesnt mean it is over. Bush said it was over in May, 03. It was just getting started.
Now you can write your response condemning a free American’s choice for president because he wont sign on to your way of thinking. If Americans didnt think for themselves, we would still be under the rule of England.
Paul doesn’t stand a chance of winning the nomination, so I’m always a bit surprised at the level of vitriol directed towards him or anyone who even remotely supports him.
Paul’s greatest contribution can be to remind the crop of typical and mainstream Republicans, of the tenets of Conservativism. That’s important, because the modern GOP has a dismal track record of actually promoting [beyond empty campaign slogans] smaller federal government and individual liberty.
Paul doesn’t stand a chance of winning the nomination, so I’m always a bit surprised at the level of vitriol directed towards him or anyone who even remotely supports him.
Generally speaking, the vitriol is directed at the Ronulans who cannot fathom why people don’t think Paul is as awesome as they do. For the most part, I don’t think very much about Ron Paul, for the exact reason you note; he has virtually no chance of garnering the nomination, so why waste time with all the hand wringing? In fact, all of this Ron Paul crap has a familiar ring to it *cough-Ross Perot-cough* with near equal results; at the end of the day, a whole bunch of people felt better about who they supported and we still ended up with a degenerate asshole for a president. How’d that work out for ya’, there sparky?
I hear alot of folks bashing Paul, but not much about the alternatives. Is it because you wont pick yours until the rest of the gang tells you who it is?
“I cannot fathom why people dont think Paul is Awsome”???? Never said it, never thought it. I dont care who you support.
I do know this, most folks wont claim to support one candidate or the other until the true front runner emerges out of FEAR that they wont pick the winner. Why is that? If you believe one is better than the other say it out loud and tell folks why. Dont be scared of your beliefs. Man-up. Who is the true conservative that will fix the country and say fuck-you to the libs?
Bulldog–that’s probably because while we may not yet be sure who we do want, we sure as fuck know what we DON’T want.
@64 – “Generally speaking, the vitriol is directed at the Ronulans who cannot fathom why people don’t think Paul is as awesome as they do.”
I can buy off on that, though I see much the same coming from the GOP. Though if the GOP had a precedent for even attempting to govern through a reduction in size and scope, Paul’s message wouldn’t resonate with nearly the numbers that it currently does.
^^^this. The GOP has become Dem-lite. More the party of Graham, Snowe, Collins, etc, than the party of Reagan. And he was a former Democrat, for Chrissakes.
I hear alot of folks bashing Paul, but not much about the alternatives. Is it because you wont pick yours until the rest of the gang tells you who it is?
I don’t like any of them. How about that.
Who is the true conservative that will fix the country and say fuck-you to the libs?
None of them. For the same reason Teleprompter Jebus didn’t do it when he had a virtual lock on the entire Federal government and the rabid backing of the angry left; while that shit may look good during campaign mode, it doesn’t play well when put into practice. Look at what Zero spent most of his “honeymoon” working on…socialized medicine. Where did it get him…a fractured party, divided base and a loss in 2010 in the House. Adding insult to injury, all of his incessant tinkering with the economy and threats of raising taxes (all playing to his base) have him plunging in the polls and has die-hard leftists crying out that unless he can get his shit straight, he’s headed for Carter/Bush41 Land. So while the whole concept of the big “fuck you” to the liberals may get you on the evening news and invited to Sean Hannity’s little show, the moment you have to govern with that sentiment, reality sinks in. So tell me, how effective will the rhetoric be at that juncture?
The other candidates have been around for quite some time. Their views arent new to anyone.
OK. you dont want Paul.
Why is the rest of the crop better?
I havent met a Texan who supports Perry yet.
Huntsman believes in global warming and that China is our friend and only wants what is best for us.
Romney cant distance himself from his money or his decisions as governor of mass.
Bachman… No one will ever take her seriously,because of a few not thought out comments that should have been kept to her self, not brought out in public, so she could not possibly govern.
That leaves a couple of alternatives. I could vote for Cain, but doubt he will ever get the nomination.
We all know how this works. WHen Fox, et al start saying that a candidate is gaining in the polls, the typical sheep like mentality is to flock to him. They have decided that Perry and Romney are the guys to beat, so it will become that way. Unless some unforseen thing happens, one of those two will get the nomination. Same shit different cycle.
It doesnt bother me like you all think that you dont support paul. We are all brothers in arms here and unless you support 0bummer, I would fight beside most of you
I’m well aware of the views of the candidates and their previous records also speak volumes. This is why I said I’m not supporting ANY of them at the moment. Of the ones you mention, Herman Cain is marginally better for no other reason than his support of the Fair Tax, but let’s be brutally honest here; he’s in the same bracket with Paul, Gingrich and Hunstman as far as numbers are concerned. It’s a non-starter. To paraphrase South Park, elections come down to voting for either a douche or a turd sandwich and that’s what we’re going to dealt yet again. Does it suck? Yes. Will it change any time soon? Not sure. I hope so.
The system has been broke for a long time. There are some words that describe what alot of patriots think needs to be done to fix it, but I shall leave them unsaid.
IMHO, we are in too deep now. We have all seen what has happened over the last 2.5 years. It isnt going to get better in the next 1.5. Even the best candidate may not be able to stop this train.
I will vote my concience in the next election and continue to invest my money in brass and lead, etc. I used to be an optimist. That was before the last cycle.
Here’s the scary part; while the faces may change every 4 or 8 years, take a hard look at who stays. What we’ve work ourselves into is the development of a political class that has made the system so complex and so self-serving, nothing short of burning it down will fix it. I assume that’s what you were intimating? I pray for an alternative, but a long term solution has only one of two outcomes and neither of them are pretty.
@73 – That is one of the best summations I’ve seen on the web.
Bingo–administrations come and go, but the BUREAUCRACY is forever.
LTC. West said it best. “I will be in the hills leading the resistance”, Why the hell doesnt he run? He would easily win the nomination, no true patriot or conservative could vote against him. Too Easy. And he doesnt take any shit from anyone. He proved that in Iraq.
My guess is that West wants the actual experience of governance. I think most people would agree that there are some similarities between the military and dealing with bureaucracy, but he’s stated on occasion that he’s where he needs to be at the moment. Based solely on what I’ve heard him speak on, West impresses me and comes off as an honorable guy, the goofy charges on the left about his service notwithstanding.
The charges are correct. He never denied them. Was he guilty of anything except leading his men and taking care of business the way you do in a war? Not even close.
#62 “One who CLAIMS to break sticks on the backs of soldiers (cedo),” Thats good. I see you’ve discovered google. See, you are capable of abstract thought when you try.
“You sound exactly like what the typical republican would say.” I do? Really? Then there really is hope for the Republic. Since I’m a registered independent, but admittingly of a conservative bent.
“Which campaign do you work for?” None. You would know though. Your the one who claims to have founded the Tea Party, though I don’t know if you should openly admit to that. You having being overthrown in a bloodless coup and all. People may question your leadership ability.
“I put forth my opinions and you put forth yours. Under what reasoning do your views become automatically correct and everyone else is wrong.” Logic and a well thoughout point of view. I didn’t question everyone else, just some of your assertions. You can take immigration as an example. You asserted Ron Paul was good on securing the border and were point blank disproven.
“It sounds more like you are the one that cannot accept anyone else’s view.” Wrong again, I challenged your point of view. Your responses are not aimed at disproving me, but dismissing me with the greatness of Ron Paul. Thats why you continue to look foolish.
“You probably have a mental picture of me as a young dope smoking fool who wants drugs legalized and that is why I support paul.” Um, no actually. I just thought you were someone who was not very well informed origionally. I began to suspect you might be retarded, when you never actually respond to any point I make. Your response is to attempt to attack me personelly. The defense of the weak minded.
“Not all Paul supporters are the 9/11 truther idiots that sit around and smoke dope all day. If you assume that you would be wrong.” Never did, doesn’t mean they still aren’t wrong. I’ve attacked Paulite cultists(including your) behaviour, beyond that I’ve stuck to his policy positions.
“I struggled long and hard to pick paul as my candidate.” Struggle some more.
“That is why I left the republican party and became an independent.” Ahh but you had been a member, Unlike me.
“You assume that because a few Paul supporters are loons that we all are.” I would say most are either loons, naives, or people who believe in a kind of abstract libertarianism that will never exist on this planet. The last group is the most dangerous.
“There are alot of loons that support perry, et al.” I bet there are. Paulites are a distinct kind of loon generally though.
“I am a libertarian.” I’m not. This could be good or bad depending on how you fall on certain issues. Libertarians are not nearly as uniform as they tend to let others believe.
“You may think that is wrong, but I do not give a shit.” Yes you do.
“I am not some stupid kid that needs your guidance or approval.” No, you just conduct yourself like a stupid kid. My advice is you take my guidance and better yourself, douchebag!
“You go research someone elses nickname from centuries ago and give yourself that title and that is supposed to impress me. Not likely.” Again that use of google, your showing me. My use of this handle has nothing to do with impressing you. I’ve had it for a long time. Use logic, my first response to you was with this name. Therefore I must of had it before our conversation. So how could I have made it to impress you? Are you that stupid or maybe just that arrogant.
“You can give me you OPINION about Paul all day long and I can give you mine about whoever you are chosing to support and it will mean nothing.” I shall. The difference is my will be informed and yours won’t.
“If Iraq was so important, why didnt we finish the job in 91 and avoid the mess we are in now?” Mostly because that wasn’t the mission in 91′. The coalition that was assembled and fickle as it was, would have buckled. Second Saddam signed a ceasefire with terms he had not yet violated.
“It sounds to me like you are someone who watched it all unfold on cnn and fox.” Another projection of the kind of person you think I might be. Since you know nothing about me. You sound like someone with no argument. Checkmate bitch!
“Now you can write your response condemning a free American’s choice for president because he wont sign on to your way of thinking.” Funny because I’ve done no such thing. Its your attempt to bully me into silence, that is the transgression. Your just such a maroon you can’t see it.
#63 “Paul doesn’t stand a chance of winning the nomination, so I’m always a bit surprised at the level of vitriol directed towards him or anyone who even remotely supports him.” Um, I would say CI is the other way around. Paul supporters tend to go crazy when you challenge any of his positions.
#64,#66,E I agree with you Claymore. I don’t think of Paul that much either until I run into his cultists. They generally can’t fathom why others are unwilling to follow there idol. Then they start a melee.
I’m frankly not keen on any of them.
#70 Again, no mention of McCotter? Its a Paulite conspiracy I tells ya.
#72 “There are some words that describe what alot of patriots think needs to be done to fix it, but I shall leave them unsaid.” Go ahead expand on that point. Enlighten us.
#73 Yep this is absolutely true. The class itself isn’t new though, its the complete isolation from the common citizen that is. They have never been so insulated from the rest of the nation, where trends good or bad don’t effect them.
@80 Cedo – “Um, I would say CI is the other way around. Paul supporters tend to go crazy when you challenge any of his positions.”
I don’t doubt that this would be your anecdotal experience, but it doesn’t seem to be the case in this particular forum.
#82 I disagree. Think entire discussion is great example. Bulldog, never actually disputes any point I make. He just attacks the kind of person he thinks I might me. He’s a nitwit.