{"id":9398,"date":"2009-04-03T14:35:20","date_gmt":"2009-04-03T19:35:20","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/valorguardians.com\/blog\/?p=9398"},"modified":"2009-04-03T14:41:09","modified_gmt":"2009-04-03T19:41:09","slug":"and-now-for-the-other-side","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.azuse.cloud\/?p=9398","title":{"rendered":"And now for the other side"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Despite my defense of Sgt Coppa, I firmly believe that IVAW should be listed as a subversive organization.  Subversion is defined in Title 18 of the United States Code:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><a href=\"http:\/\/law.justia.com\/us\/codes\/title18\/18usc2387.html\">Sec. 2387. Activities affecting armed forces generally<\/a><\/p>\n<p>    (a) Whoever, with intent to interfere with, impair, or influence the loyalty, morale, or discipline of the military or naval forces of the United States:<br \/>\n        (1) advises, counsels, urges, or in any manner causes or attempts to cause insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty [You mean like Chiroux, Long et al??] by any member of the military or naval forces of the United States; or<br \/>\n        (2) distributes or attempts to distribute any written or printed matter which advises, counsels, or urges insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty by any member of the military or naval forces of the United States&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>    Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next<br \/>\nfollowing his conviction.<br \/>\n    (b) For the purposes of this section, the term &#8220;military or naval forces of the United States&#8221; includes the Army of the United States, the Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, Coast Guard, Naval Reserve, Marine Corps Reserve, and Coast Guard Reserve of the United States; and, when any merchant vessel is commissioned in the Navy or is in the service of the Army or the Navy, includes the master, officers, and crew of such vessel.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/law.justia.com\/us\/codes\/title18\/18usc2388.html\">And even more damning for IVAW:<\/a><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Sec. 2388. Activities affecting armed forces during war<br \/>\n    (a) Whoever, when the United States is at war, willfully makes or conveys false reports or false statements with intent to interfere with the operation or success of the military or naval forces of the United States or to promote the success of its enemies; or<br \/>\nWhoever, when the United States is at war, willfully causes or attempts to cause insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty, in the military or naval forces of the United States, <em><strong>or willfully obstructs the recruiting or enlistment service of the United States<\/strong><\/em>, to the injury of the service or the United States, or attempts to do so&#8211;<br \/>\n    Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty<br \/>\nyears, or both.  [taking the rest out since it is largely non-germane]  <\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>There is no way on Spongebob&#8217;s green Earth you can convince me that IVAW doesn&#8217;t meet that definition to a &#8220;Tee.&#8221;  <a href=\"http:\/\/www.befriendarecruiter.org\/aboutbar.html\">They are even brazen about it:<\/a><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Iraq Veterans Against the War (IVAW) and the Portland, Oregon based artist collaborative Red76 have joined together on a counter-recruitment project entitled Befriend a Recruiter; an initiative with the goal of clogging the military&#8217;s ability to enlist new recruits. By having as many people as can be galvanize pose as individuals interested in joining the Army, you, as part of Befriend a Recruiter, can help begin the end of this war. By flooding recruiters and recruitment centers with phone calls, appointments, questions, and smiling faces, we force recruiters to occupy their time and resources on us. By your calling and asking every question you can think of, about all the false opportunities the military offers, you are stealing away recruiters&#8217; ability to successfully recruit.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>So, if they made me Sec Def for a day, IVAW would find themselves listed, and they&#8217;d have a nano-second to resign or be brought up on charges.  But, going after a lowly sergeant for belonging to a group which the DoD hasn&#8217;t yet deigned to find as &#8220;subversive&#8221; seems a misuse of resources.<\/p>\n<p>There, can I have my friends back now?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Despite my defense of Sgt Coppa, I firmly believe that IVAW should be listed as a &hellip; <a title=\"And now for the other side\" class=\"hm-read-more\" href=\"https:\/\/www.azuse.cloud\/?p=9398\"><span class=\"screen-reader-text\">And now for the other side<\/span>Read more<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":148,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[5],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-9398","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-politics"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.azuse.cloud\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/9398","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.azuse.cloud\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.azuse.cloud\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.azuse.cloud\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/148"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.azuse.cloud\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=9398"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.azuse.cloud\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/9398\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.azuse.cloud\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=9398"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.azuse.cloud\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=9398"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.azuse.cloud\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=9398"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}