November 25, 2016 at 10:09 am<\/a> 2\/17 Air Cav says: I agree except there\u2019s the political fallout from killing thousands that one claims to be trying to save. It\u2019s a bit of a sticky wicket. The thing is, there was an inevitable quality to it, so I can only guess that the Heroic Forces banked on ISIS taking off in a convoy of pickup trucks.<\/p>\nEx-PH2 says: If there is political fallout from the deaths of all those people, it should land on ISIS\/Daesh. They are invaders, usurpers and thieves following a death cult. They could have simply asked for space and probably gotten it, but they did not do that.
\nThey are going to go on with this mass slaughter, regardless, and it is not the fault of those outside in the Iraqi\/Peshmerga\/Other groups. There exists a naive idea, a hallmark of media stupidity, that with a quasi-political group like Daesh, there is anyone at fault other than the group doing the slaughtering.<\/p>\n
Like it or not, it is true. The fault lies with Daesh\/ISF\/ISIS, or whatever they style themselves now. They set up a death cult in 2014, attempting to overthrow local governments, destroy property, swallow up land that did not belong to them, and create havoc by recruiting followers in distant lands through the magic of the internet. They have repeatedly displayed behavior that is not just sociopathic but also psychotic. If it is not psychotic to tell a six-year-old child to hold up the severed head of someone just slaughtered so that his picture can be taken and publicized on the internet, then what is it? <\/p>\n
Is there a difference between these people and the Viet Cong? The VC also recruited children to join them. Some of them were boys who were barely 13 years old and had no idea why they were doing what they were told to do. But it was not the death cult built by ISIS\/Daesh. Pol Pot\u2019s relationship with the Khmer Rouge was closer to Daesh. \u2018Kill anyone who will not join, and anyone over XXX age\u2019. <\/p>\n
ISIS\/Daesh is nothing more than politics disguised as religion. Where have we seen this before? Lenin, Trotsky and the purges of the Bolshevik revolution in 1917 grew into the USSR under Joseph Stalin. Hitler found his way into power with his speeches and controlling the press, among other things, rounding up not just Jews, but anyone deemed defective or who disagreed with him, or was ethnically undesirable. More recently were the Hutus v Tutsis in Rwanda, wholesale slaughter in other parts of Africa, Milosevic\u2019s rampages through Eastern Europe, and Saddam Hussein\u2019s invasion of Kuwait and trampling the Kuwaiti people, which got the US into a local war you may or may not have heard of. <\/p>\n
The brutality that these people have perpetrated on the innocent, has shocked and will continue to shock, a population that seems to think it\u2019s not real until they are confronted by it. Sensationalism in the press is, and has been, the order of the day since some newly-minted wet plate photographers like Carol Szathmari, an Austro-Hungarian photographer decided to go onto the battlefield during the Crimean War and record what he saw. He was the first real combat photographer. The mobile darkroom was improved and Matthew Brady and others like him took advantage of its improvements to record the results of battles during the US Civil War. The results were too shocking for publication.<\/p>\n
When ideology is used as an excuse to dominate people and slaughter those who refuse to join up or who disagree with the ideology, the fault lies on the shoulders of the Ideologues, not those who try to stop them. Ideologues cannot be bargained with nor can they be trusted to keep their word, or abide by any agreements they sign. Must I bring up Neville Chamberlin\u2019s idiotic agreement with Hitler over the Sudetenland? To people like Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Ho Chi Minh, and al-Baghdadi, and never mind which ayatollah is now in charge in Tehran, a bargain with them is seen as a sign of weakness and stupidity. They wait until your back is turned and you\u2019re gone, thinking you\u2019ve solved the problem.<\/p>\n
Well, you haven\u2019t. They go right back to what they were doing before you bargained with them. How else do you account for the return of al Qaeda to Afghanistan and Pakistan, and new ransom demands by Tehran? Must I remind anyone here that as soon as the US began to withdraw from Vietnam in 1973, General Giap started planning the takeover of the South, and put Van Tien Dung in charge of invading the South all over again? Would you like to review those films of NVA tanks rolling into Saigon in 1975?<\/p>\n
So what are we facing? Is it continued long-term, siege warfare that wears everyone down to nothing, as happened for us with Vietnam and with Afghanistan for the Soviets? As 2\/17 Air Cav has said, flattening the city of Mosul would be an effective way to end this dogfight, but there are 1.5 to 2 million people in Mosul who will be killed in the process. <\/p>\n
They\u2019re civilians. They are already being slaughtered by ISIS\/Daesh, regardless, because that is what those inhuman slugs do. The ISers have no conscience, no sense of what is right or wrong, only that Death is their real God and they will do anything to please Death. No matter what is done by the Heroic Forces, those people are going to die, period.<\/p>\n
Does it make sense to flatten the place and poison the soil for the next 2,500 centuries, IF those people are going to be killed, regardless? And will it stop this from happening again?<\/p>\n
To put it in more relevant terms, if you know that someone wants to kill you, no matter how nice you are, are you going to just let him slaughter you over nothing? Or will you say, \u201cYou want to talk to God? Let\u2019s go see him together. I\u2019ve got nothing better to do.\u201d<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"
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