{"id":5312,"date":"2008-11-17T16:26:36","date_gmt":"2008-11-17T21:26:36","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/valorguardians.com\/blog\/?p=5312"},"modified":"2008-11-17T18:53:46","modified_gmt":"2008-11-17T23:53:46","slug":"who-could-be-so-despicable","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.azuse.cloud\/?p=5312","title":{"rendered":"IVAW: “send mccain back to his cage at the hanoi hilton”"},"content":{"rendered":"

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NOTE: Title of this thread comes from the CAPTION on the IVAW facebook website in support of their\u00a0unlawful, horseshoe wannabes\u00a0from NY.<\/p>\n

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First a little background. Back in October, the miscreants and phony combat veterans of IVAW attended the Presidential Debate at Hofstra University. According to Democracy Now:<\/a><\/p>\n

Outside the Obama-McCain debate, at least fifteen people were arrested at a protest organized by Iraq Veterans Against the War. IVAW member Nick Morgan was left bloodied and nearly unconscious after being trampled by a police officer on horseback. […] The protest was organized by IVAW members Matthis Chiroux and Kris Goldsmith. Last week, Chiroux sent a letter to CBS debate moderator Bob Schieffer spelling out the demands of IVAW and demanding that at least two veterans be allowed entry into the debate to ask Senators Obama and McCain one question each. He did not receive a response.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

So, they didn’t listen to police, got trampled. You mess with the bull, you get the horns, son. But, Matthis is VERY brave, as evidenced by the heroic 6 days he spent on Bagram Air Base which constituted his complete and total deployment anywhere that had lead poisoning\u00a0going around.<\/p>\n

Last week, Kelly Dougherty, Executive Director of IVAW informed the IVAW Watching community that at long last peace and justice would be served, to wit, that President-Elect Obama would be visiting with IVAW:<\/p>\n

IVAW has been working to hold a face-to-face meeting with now President-elect and members of his staff. Our hard work has paid off! We’ve recently been contacted by a member of President-elect Obama’s veteran staff and will be meeting with representatives of both his Veteran and Foreign Affairs Committees this month. This is a huge opportunity for IVAW to assert our voice and perspective at a new level and to continue to demand accountability for ending the occupation.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Now, I found that piece of shit above a little bit ago, and decided to see what would happen if anything. The so-called Hempstead 15 have their own Facebook site devoted to explaining how the fascist police of Nassau are all undercover stormtroopers led by Darth Cheney, and their death steeds are a menace to freedom loving people’s everywhere. The leaders of this website are none other than Chiroux and Goldsmith:<\/p>\n

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So anyway, go look at the pictures.\u00a0 Just look up “I support the Hempstead 15” in facebook and you will find them.\u00a0 The\u00a0one captioned “send mccain back to his cage at the hanoi hilton”\u00a0 is picture # 24\/34.<\/p>\n

Now, this picture has been up there since October 20. That is 3 days shy of a month ago. It was posted by one of their supporters, Aron Kay. Look at his picture, and note who the second from the right friend of his is.\u00a0 (If youcan’t make it out, he’s at least “facebook friends” with Bill Ayers.)<\/p>\n

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Aron “The Pieman” Kay has an AWESOME website which proudly proclaims:<\/p>\n

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THIS MACHINE KILLS FASCISTS
\nSUPPORT OUR COMRADES IN ST.PAUL!
\nBUSTED FOR:
\nOPPOSING THE REPUKELIKKKAN WAR MACHINE<\/p>\n

FREE THE RNC 8 NOW<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

“Pieman” has a hell of a bio on that page as well, but I’m not linking to it, cause this dude clearly gets off on any attention he gets:<\/p>\n

Two figures have been especially prominent in the rise of confectionery as an instrument of political protest. In the U.S. left-wing activist Aron Kay has been dubbed “The Pieman” for a whole series of attacks stretching across almost three decades, and including such victims as right-wing political commentator William F. Buckley, former CIA director William Colby and former New York Mayor Abe Beame.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Now, several things. Yes, this picture was uploaded by some unhinged lunatic, and not IVAW directly. BUT THE DAMN PICTURE HAS BEEN THERE FOR 28 DAYS WITHOUT IVAW and the HEMPSTEAD 15 TAKING IT DOWN.<\/p>\n

Second, whenever a picture is uploaded to your group on Facebook, you get an email letting you know of that fact.<\/p>\n

Third, since that picture was put up, an additional 23 have been added by various people, including phony Afghan Combat veteran Matthis Chiroux. You would have to ascribe to a theory that he put the pics up, then didn’t bother to go an check out his own site in order to buy into what I am sure will be the inevitable “we didn’t see it” defense.<\/p>\n

Fourth: Yes, I know the source of the pamphlet is a anarchist group.\u00a0 They are loons.\u00a0 But IVAW keeps trying to portray itself as mainstream, and now they have a meeting with the President Elect and\/or his staff.\u00a0 How about you freak shows grow up and act like adults?\u00a0 I don’t know anyone who takes you seriously, but apparently the White House does.<\/p>\n

I wonder if the Obama people understand just the type of lunatics they will be meeting with?<\/p>\n

Perhaps we ought to let him know?<\/p>\n

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PS:\u00a0 At least there may be 2 sane people in IVAW that disapprove:<\/p>\n

Selena Coppa (United States Army) wrote
\nat 12:26pm
\nYou know, I do not like McCain’s policies, but that does not make stuff like this okay. This is not only not about the Hempstead 15, not supportive of the Hempstead 15, it’s also disrespectful to veterans. It’s the exact kind of attacks we condemn the right wing for making about us and our people. What happened to being the change we want to see in the world?<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Daniel Blain (Springfield, MA) wrote
\nat 12:37pm
\nWe can’t defeat terror by becoming terror. Bush has tried for 8 years to fight terror with terror: it hasn’t worked. I agree with Selena – if we are going to change things, we have to be that change.
\nBesides, McCain lost the election. How did Obama say it? “Don’t Boo: Vote.” and that’s what America did. <\/p><\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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