{"id":38365,"date":"2013-11-10T09:27:25","date_gmt":"2013-11-10T14:27:25","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/valorguardians.com\/blog\/?p=38365"},"modified":"2013-11-10T11:09:35","modified_gmt":"2013-11-10T16:09:35","slug":"giffordskellys-veterans-gun-control-group","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.azuse.cloud\/?p=38365","title":{"rendered":"Giffords\/Kelly’s veterans’ gun control group"},"content":{"rendered":"

Chief Tango sends us a link to a CNN<\/a> article about the new group of veterans being sponsored by the Gabby Giffords\/Mark Kelly organization, the misnamed Americans for Responsible Solutions<\/a>, calling it Veterans for Responsible Solutions<\/a>. From their own press release, here is their list of members;<\/p>\n

Founding Members
\nVeterans for Responsible Solutions
\nNovember 8, 2013
\nMajor General Vance Coleman, US Army (Ret.), Sun City, AZ
\nRear Admiral James A. Barnett, US Navy (Ret.), Arlington, VA
\nBrigadier General Stephen A. Cheney, US Marine Corps (Ret.), Alexandria, VA
\nBrigadier General Evelyn \u201cPat\u201d Foote, US Army (Ret.), Accotink, MD
\nBrigadier General Keith H. Kerr, California State Military Reserve (Ret.), Santa Rosa,
\nCA
\nCaptain Joan E. Darrah, US Navy (Ret.), Alexandria, Virginia
\nCaptain Gail P. Kulisch, US Coast Guard (Ret.), Reston, VA
\nCaptain April F. Heinze, US Navy (Ret.), Coronado, CA
\nCaptain James Jordan, US Navy (Ret.), Fairwood, WA
\nFormer Captain John Gillies, US Navy, Lynden, WA
\nFormer Captain Howard Christofersen, US Navy, Chesterton, IN
\nFormer Captain Bill Kingston, US Marine Corps, New Castle, NH
\nFormer Captain Frank Quinn, US Marine Corps, Bay City, MI
\nColonel Thomas F. Field, US Army Reserve (Ret.), Arlington, VA
\nCommander Beth F. Coye, US Navy (Ret.), Ashland, OR
\nCommander George Trotman, US Navy (Ret.), Philadelphia, PA
\nFormer First Lieutenant Colonel Frederic Stephens, US Army, Roseville, MN
\nLieutenant Colonel Victor J. Fehrenbach, US Air Force (Ret.), Dayton, OH
\nLieutenant Colonel Victor J. Fehrenbach, US Air Force (Ret.), Dayton, OH
\nFormer Lieutenant Commander Jim Engelking, US Navy, Golden, CO
\nFormer Lieutenant Commander Phil Green, US Navy, Portage, MI
\nFormer Lieutenant Commander John Gadzinski, US Navy, Virginia Beach, VA
\nFormer Lieutenant Commander G.K. Desjarlais, US Navy, Drummonds, TN
\nMajor Michael Almy, US Air Force (Ret.), Dayton, OH
\nMajor Colleen Jew, US Army (Ret.), Oakland, CA
\nFormer Major Schwartz Malibu, US Army, Los Angeles, CA
\nFormer Major Charles Arnold, U.S. Air Force, Lompoc, CA
\nFormer Captain Susanne Scott, US Air Force, Sequim, WA
\nFormer Captain Joe Wiederhold, US Air Force, Bellingham, WA
\nFormer Captain Jacobo Van, US Army, San Juan, PR
\nFormer Captain Anthony C. Woods, US Army, University Park, MD
\nFormer Captain Kenneth Richards, US Army, Evergreen, CO
\nFormer Captain Joe Meyer, US Army, Amery, WI
\nFormer Captain and Vietnam veteran Ralph Siewers, US Army, Sedgwick, ME
\nFormer Lieutenant Junior Grade Daniel Cripe, US Navy, Missoula, MT
\nFormer Lieutenant Junior Grade Gary Bogle, U.S. Naval Reserve, St. Helena, CA
\nFormer Lieutenant Junior Grade Robert Austin, US Navy, Norwalk, CT
\nFormer Lieutenant Junior Grade Glenn Nichols, US Navy, Philadelphia, PA
\nFormer First Lieutenant Marx Bowens, US Naval Reserve, Worchester, MA
\nFormer First Lieutenant Barry Wolfer, US Air Force, Houston, TX
\nFormer First Lieutenant David Small, US Army, Middleboro, MA
\nFormer First Lieutenant Cooper Wood, US Army, Casselberry, FL
\nFormer First Lieutenant Ann Marie Briggs, US Air Force, Kennebunkport, ME
\nFormer First Lieutenant and World War II veteran Edgar Peara, US Army, Eugene, OR
\nFormer First Lieutenant Ronald Wos, US Army, Chicago, IL
\nFormer First Lieutenant Craig Richmond, US Air Force, Cincinnati, OH
\nMaster Chief Petty Officer of the Coast Guard Vincent W. Patton III, Ed.D., US Coast
\nGuard (Ret.), Alexandria, VA
\nFormer Sergeant Major Jerry Corbin, US Army, Jonesboro, AR
\nSenior Master Sergeant Rick Etheridge, US Air Force (Ret.), Port Angeles, WA
\nFormer Sergeant First Class Camelus Walker, US Army, Clinton, MD
\nFormer Petty Officer Joe Fouts, US Navy, Avon, OH
\nFormer Senior Chief Petty Officer Nelson Miller, US Navy SEALs, Tucson, AZ
\nFormer Private First Class Earsell Leslie, Sr., US Army, Los Angeles, CA
\nFormer Radarman 1st Class Michael Taccardi, US Navy, Norwich, CT
\nFormer Staff Sergeant Eric F. Alva, USMC, San Antonio, TX
\nFormer Sergeant Paul Madarasz, US Air Force
\nFormer Sergeant Frank Gifford, US Navy, Oakland, ME
\nFormer Sergeant Martin Wong, US Army, Boulder, CO
\nFormer Sergeant Mel Pontious, US Army, North Platte, NE
\nFormer Sergeant Edward Silha, US Army Austin, TX
\nFormer Sergeant Larry Butler, US Marine Corps, New York, NY
\nFormer Sergeant and Vietnam War veteran Bob Buckman, US Air Force, Houston, TX
\nFormer Sergeant Dave Ogilvie, US Army, Santa Barbara, CA
\nFormer Sergeant Neil Friedman, US Army, Brooklyn, NY
\nFormer Sergeant Thomas Adamski, US Air Force, Oxford, CT
\nFormer Radarman 2nd Class John Schaefers, US Navy, Seven Fields, PA
\nFormer Staff Sergeant Laura Giblin, US Air Force, Alexandria, VA
\nFormer Sergeant Shane Gibney, US Marine Corps, Alexandria, VA
\nFormer Engineman 2nd Class Francis C. Hynds, US Navy, Upper St. Clair, PA
\nFormer Staff Sergeant John Brophy, US Marine Corps, Vista, CA
\nFormer Sergeant Michael Alexander, US Army, Northville, MI
\nFormer Sergeant Nelson Van Brunt, US Army, Kensington, MD
\nMaster Sergeant Douglas Poore, US Air Force (Ret.), Vacaville, CA
\nFormer Staff Sergeant Christel Holcomb, US Air Force, Amery, WI
\nFormer Sergeant and Vietnam veteran Joseph Thomas, US Air Force, Holt, MO
\nFormer Staff Sergeant David Hall, US Air Force, Washington, DC
\nFormer Sergeant Tony Kourtakis, US Marine Corps, Novi, MI
\nFormer Storekeeper 2nd Class Robert Houseman, US Navy, Liberty, MO
\nFormer Sergeant Ruben Neria, US Army, Dallas, TX
\nFormer Sergeant Bob Simons, US Army, Ardmore, PA
\nFormer Sergeant Thomas McKenna, US Army, Lake Forest, CA
\nFormer Sergeant Mara Solberg, US National Guard, Fargo, ND
\nFormer Sergeant Michelle Wilmot, US Army, Athens, GA
\nFormer Specialist Guy Stoddard, US Army, Los Altos Hills, CA
\nFormer Petty Officer Third Class Don Morgan, US Navy, Magalia, CA
\nFormer Senior Airman Emory Stevens, US Air Force, Las Vegas, NV
\nFormer Petty Officer Third Class Robert Hadden, US Coast Guard, Cincinnati, OH
\nFormer Specialist William Herrera, US Army, Walnut Creek, CA
\nFormer Petty Officer Third Class S. Scales, US Navy, Buda, TX
\nFormer Corporal David Farwell, US Marine Corps, San Jose, CA
\nFormer Senior Airmen Richard Anderson, US Air Force, Milwaukee, WI
\nFormer Petty Officer Third Class Leonard Banaszak, US Navy, Saint Louis, MO
\nFormer Specialist Vivian Ghazarian, US Army, Penn Wynne, PA
\nFormer Specialist Odis (Chuck) Tanner, US Army, Russellville, AR
\nFormer Corporal Rickie Byers, US Army, Lynnwood, WA
\nFormer Specialist Larry Barton, US Army, Crookston, MN
\nFormer Corporal Kevin McGowan, US Army, Danbury, CT
\nFormer Aviation Boatswain Mate 3rd Class Arthur McDonald, US Navy, Gilette, NJ
\nFormer Petty Officer Third Class Thomas Futch, US Navy, High Springs, FL
\nFormer Petty Officer Third Class Dave Elvin, US Navy, Seattle, WA
\nFormer Specialist Tom Herr, US Army, Westerville, OH
\nFormer Specialist Third Class Hooker Horton, US Army, Raleigh, NC
\nFormer Corporal John Helfrich, US Army, Burbank, CA
\nFormer Senior Airman Dave Ogilvie, US Air Force, Santa Barbara, CA
\nFormer Specialist Victor Daub, US Army, Tucson, AZ
\nFormer Specialist 5 Howard J. Kendall, US Army, Yarmouth Port, MA
\nFormer Corporal Robert Parson, US Army, Tucson, AZ
\nFormer Buck Sergeant Frances Kellogg, US Army Air Corps, Gwynedd, PA
\nFormer Corporal Earl Nikkel, US Marine Corps, Denver, CO
\nFormer Seaman Albert Rossignol, US Navy, Seal Beach, CA
\nFormer Airman First Class Leon Demars, US Air Force, Ajo, AZ
\nFormer Private First Class Sidney Cholmar, US Army, Berkshire, MA
\nFormer Private 1st Class Dennis Kreiner, US Army, Carpentersville, IL
\nFormer Airman First Class Rennie Ferris, US Air Force, Newport, OR
\nFormer Lance Corporal, Robert Raiche Sr., US Marine Corps, Manchester, NH
\nFormer Private Second Class John Stickler, US Army, Los Angeles, CA
\nFormer Private First Class Richard Meader, US Army, Austin, TX
\nFormer Airmen Robert J. Stedman, US Air Force, Las Vegas, NV
\nFormer Private 1st Class Eric Serati, US Army, De Sotto, IL
\nFormer Seaman Apprentice Mercer Gewin, US Coast Guard, Country Club, MO
\nFormer Seaman Jeff Nisbet, US Navy, Waterford, WI
\nFormer Cadet Devon Maness, US Army, Rainbow City, AL<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

From the CNN article;<\/p>\n

“We’re for gun rights,” said James Barnett, a retired rear admiral.<\/p>\n

Instead, Veterans for Responsible Solutions wants commonsense actions like universal background checks, Kelly said.<\/p>\n

These are background checks an overwhelming majority of Americans have said they support, polls show.<\/p>\n

Vance Coleman, a retired Army major general, said on the call that he also owns guns. But not everyone should, Coleman continued, namely criminals and the mentally ill.<\/p>\n

“They should not own guns and the Congress needs to do something about that,” Coleman said. <\/p><\/blockquote>\n

No one who joins forces with the crackpots at Americans for Responsible Solutions is for gun rights if they have a measure of common sense. It’s not the “gun lobby” that opposes the ownership of guns by criminals and the mentally ill. Jared Loughner who shot Gabby Giffords, should have been in the national background check system, but the police who had contact with him never arrested him in previous encounters, so he was never on the list. <\/p>\n

It’s the doctors and law enforcement who aren’t putting the criminals and mentally ill in the system – background checks are working in their current form, but when the people responsible for putting names in there aren’t doing their job under the current law, the solution isn’t making new laws – unless you want to make doctors and law enforcement do their job and hold up their end of the bargain.<\/p>\n

This is yet another exploitation of the “veterans” brand, using our the honor and trust that Americans have for their veterans to force some vacuous ideology into the national discussion that we never had after the President promised us that we’d have a discussion.<\/p>\n

The CNN article says that Veterans for Responsible Solutions “will be doing little more than lending their names while others will be pursuing a greater measure of activism, perhaps by writing newspaper editorials” – attention whores all. It’s nothing more that VoteVets, IAVA, March Forward – organizations that used the “veterans” brand to influence politics, mostly in conflict with our own interests.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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