{"id":36908,"date":"2013-08-01T18:40:10","date_gmt":"2013-08-01T22:40:10","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/valorguardians.com\/blog\/?p=36908"},"modified":"2013-08-01T19:26:15","modified_gmt":"2013-08-01T23:26:15","slug":"mike-warren-the-phony-pow-phony-vet-aided-in-deception-by-the-media","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.azuse.cloud\/?p=36908","title":{"rendered":"Mike Warren; the phony POW, phony vet; aided in deception by the media"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><center><a href=\"https:\/\/www.azuse.cloud\/?attachment_id=36909\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-36909\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.azuse.cloud\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/08\/Mike-Warren.jpg\" alt=\"Mike Warren\" width=\"138\" height=\"176\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-36909\" \/><\/a><\/center><\/p>\n<p>I get so tired of this shit sometimes. This is the tale of Mike Warren written by Jaine Treadwell of the Troy, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.troymessenger.com\/2012\/11\/09\/mike-warren-and-then-there-were-two\/\">Alabama Messenger<\/a>. And quite tale it is. Mike Warren claims that he was a Vietnam veteran and a POW. When Jaine was told by Captain John \u201cMike\u201d McGrath, a real and fairly famous Vietnam POW that Warren wasn&#8217;t a POW, she mumbled something about the fact that she had known him for years. Not well enough, apparently. This is what she wrote about her friend;<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Mike Warren knows that, had it not been for a skinny, redheaded boy from Tulsa, Okla., no American soldiers would have left that valley in Vietnam alive.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cTwo of us made it out alive. I owe my life to Capt. Terry Gardner, no doubt about it,\u201d Warren said. \u201cIf he had not disobeyed orders and come back for us, we would have been dead.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Warren was a member of the U.S. Army\u2019s 101st Cavalry Division during the Vietnam \u201cwar.\u201d His squad was boxed in a valley in a hot landing zone.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThe helicopters had come in and gotten some of our squad out,\u201d Warren said. \u201cMany had been killed, but me and another soldier were still alive. The choppers had been ordered to stand down. There were just too many North Vietnamese. We didn\u2019t stand a chance.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Warren said Capt. Terry Gardner heard the radio communication to \u201cstand down\u201d but he disobeyed the direct order and came in.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cHe got us out \u2013 saved our lives \u2013 and we didn\u2019t know until later that he got hit twice coming in for us, once in the left side and again in the leg.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Y&#8217;all remember the 101st Calvalry Division, doncha? No, me neither. <a href=\"http:\/\/www.troymessenger.com\/2013\/05\/27\/all-game-some-some-gave-all\/\">In another article written by his minion Treadwell<\/a>, he tells the same story and says that it happened in 1963;<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Warren, a member of the Army\u2019s 101st Cavalry, had his kneecap blown off in the fierce fighting in the Central Highlands of Vietnam in 1963. He lay on the battlefield gripped with pain and knowing that he would not be going home.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Aside from the fact that there is no 101st Cavalry Division, the 101st AIRBORNE Division didn&#8217;t arrive in Vietnam until 1965, when it was still Airborne. It didn&#8217;t become an air assault division until 1968. The 1st Cavalry Division arrived in Vietnam in 1965, too, in case Warren forgot the name of the division he was stationed with over there, you know, like we all forget our unit designations. In fact, all maneuver elements weren&#8217;t committed to Vietnam until 1965 you know, after the Gulf of Tonkin incident in August, 1964.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Thirteen members of Warren\u2019s squad were captured by the North Vietnamese and placed in bamboo cages at the river\u2019s edge.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThe river water was not cold but it got cold,\u201d he said. \u201cThe water was constantly moving and the longer you stayed in there, the colder it got. You couldn\u2019t sit down in the cages. You had to stand there with the water rushing over you with just your head above the water. And there was almost no way that you sleep. Sometimes, we would try to reach across the cages and hold each other up so we could get a little sleep and sometimes just to keep a man\u2019s head out of the water so he wouldn\u2019t drown.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>When a soldier was taken from his cage, it was to be interrogated and tortured.<\/p>\n<p>One torture technique was taken from the Russians. It was called \u201cstooling.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThe enemy would put you on a three-legged stool and tie your arms behind your back braced with a bamboo stick and your legs tied together, too,\u201d Warren said. \u201cThree North Vietnamese would question you and, no matter what your answer was, one of them would kick the stool out from under you and you would hit the floor on your shoulder or your face or your back. They would pick you up, ask you another question and kick the stool out from under you. They would do that over and over until you gave them what they thought they wanted or until you passed out.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Warren said, from time to time, one of the soldiers would be taken from the cages to be killed.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cSometimes they would give one soldier a gun and force him to shoot another,\u201d he said. \u201cDeath was always five minutes away.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Warren and the other members of his squad were \u201ccaged\u201d in captivity for about 17 days. One fateful day, the camp was empty except for one guard who fell asleep and Warren and another soldier overpowered him and escaped.<\/p>\n<p>Two came out.<\/p>\n<p>Warren returned to his unit and was often the one sent to scout an area and report back what he was seeing. He would be on his own for days. When he could sleep, he often slept in trees.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI got to a point where I could go six days and six nights without sleep,\u201d he said. \u201cBut on the seventh day, I would begin to hallucinate and see all kinds of boogie men.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Warren was on another \u201cmap starved\u201d mission when his squad got lost and was captured by the North Vietnamese.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThere were a half dozen of us and they would have killed us if they\u2019d had time,\u201d he said. \u201cBut another unit was also lost and stumbled upon us and overpowered the Vietnamese. Together, we made our way back to our units.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Warren remembers vividly when his unit engaged the enemy and one of the American soldiers, who was welding a 50-caliber machine gun, stepped on a \u201cBouncing Betty.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWe were going across a rice paddy and began taking fire from along a tree line and one of our men stepped on a Bouncing Betty, a mine that wouldn\u2019t go off until you took your foot off,\u201d he said. \u201cThe soldier was standing there with that big heavy gun and taking fire, knowing if he moved he would be blown to bits.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>When the firing died down, the American soldiers wedged their bayonets under the soldier\u2019s foot and he was able to \u201cdismount\u201d the mine.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWhen he woke up the next morning, every hair on his body had fallen out,\u201d Warren said. \u201cHe was a black man and his skin had turned almost white, all from the tremendous rush of adrenalin. I\u2019d never seen anything like that. None of us had. But that\u2019s what fear can do to a man.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Warren returned home from his first tour of duty and was enjoying the comforts of being home until Uncle Sam \u201cinvited\u201d him back to Vietnam. He didn\u2019t have to sign up for a second tour of duty in Vietnam but his country needed him and he knew the consequences of not going back.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Yeah, according to the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.dtic.mil\/dpmo\/vietnam\/reports\/documents\/pmsea_html_w.htm\">Department of Defense<\/a>, the only Warrens who were POWs in Vietnam were Air Force personnel, two were Captains (one classified Remains  Returned and the other is presumed dead) and the only E-5 was Remains Returned.<\/p>\n<p>Yeah, so here&#8217;s the kicker, after two attempts to find his records, NPRC still couldn&#8217;t find any.<\/p>\n<p><center><a href=\"https:\/\/www.azuse.cloud\/?attachment_id=36911\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-36911\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.azuse.cloud\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/08\/Mike-Warren-FOIA-288x300.jpg\" alt=\"Mike Warren FOIA\" width=\"288\" height=\"300\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-36911\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.azuse.cloud\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/08\/Mike-Warren-FOIA-288x300.jpg 288w, https:\/\/www.azuse.cloud\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/08\/Mike-Warren-FOIA-320x333.jpg 320w, https:\/\/www.azuse.cloud\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/08\/Mike-Warren-FOIA.jpg 388w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 288px) 100vw, 288px\" \/><\/a><\/center><\/p>\n<p>Maybe that&#8217;s what he meant, it wasn&#8217;t him that was held in a tiger cage, it was his military records jacket. I&#8217;ve sent a link to Jaine Treadwell, but she might need to be motivated given her previous reticence to properly inform her readers and her editor, Robbyn Brooks. You can email Jaime at jaine.treadwell@troymessenger.com and Robbyn at robbyn.brooks@troymessenger.com .<\/p>\n<p>Thanks to Pat all of his hard work on the background for this story.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I get so tired of this shit sometimes. 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