{"id":26312,"date":"2011-08-27T11:23:24","date_gmt":"2011-08-27T15:23:24","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/valorguardians.com\/blog\/?p=26312"},"modified":"2011-08-27T11:23:24","modified_gmt":"2011-08-27T15:23:24","slug":"wndbirthers-turn-their-lonely-eyes-to-attacking-rubio-with-the-same-idiotic-nonsense-as-they-did-obama","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.azuse.cloud\/?p=26312","title":{"rendered":"WND\/Birthers turn their lonely eyes to attacking Rubio with the same idiotic nonsense as they did Obama"},"content":{"rendered":"

This is why I generally delete every email <\/a>someone sends me to WND:<\/p>\n

Some national news media are declaring that U.S. Sen. Marco Rubio is a natural-born citizen and thus eligible for the presidency or vice presidency, even though Rubio’s constitutional eligibility remains unclear and the popular Florida Republican has himself downplayed any interest in running on a White House ticket.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

It goes on with the standard idiocy and then it goes into this old chestnut:<\/p>\n

“The Law of Nations,” a 1758 work by Swiss legal philosopher Emmerich de Vattel, was read by many of the American Founders and informed their understanding of law later established in the Constitution.<\/p>\n

Vattel specified that a natural-born citizen is born of two citizens and made it clear that the father’s citizenship was a loyalty issue.<\/p>\n

Vattel writes: “The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. … In order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.”<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

This thing about Vattel has always cracked me up. I actually covered it before when one of Oily Titz’ sycophants used the argument and I didn’t think much of it then either:<\/p>\n

Hiding in plain sight! That\u2019s right, the framers in their infinite wisdom cited to a book and didn\u2019t tell anyone! Of course, one might also note that in addition to Law of Nations being capitalized, Power, Piracies, Felonies, Seas, and Offenses were all CAPITALIZED as well. which means, that not only were they citing to the book by Vettel, but they also were making Nostradamian references to Obama. It\u2019s all right there! READ A BOOK PEOPLE!!!!11!! The Paulians know what I am talking about.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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Anyway, I actually did some more research this time, and found a commenter who lays out the absurdity of the entire debate by pointing out that the only copy of Law of Nations available in English at the time did not use the phrase “Natural Born Citizems.” “Historian Dude” tells us:<\/p>\n

The \u201cde Vattel definition\u201d of \u201cnatural-born citizen \u201cdid not exist at the time the Constitution was framed.<\/p>\n

1. De Vattel wrote in French, not English. As such there is no evidence that the phrase \u201cnatural-born citizen\u201d ever was a product of either his lips or pen. What he actually wrote was, \u201cLes Naturels ou indig\u00e8nes font ceux qui font n\u00e9s dans le pays de Parens Citoyens.\u201d<\/p>\n

2. The first English translation was published in 1759, in London. It translates \u201cLes Naturels ou indig\u00e8nes\u2026\u201d to read \u201cThe natives or indigenes\u2026\u201d The phrase \u201cnatural-born citizens\u201d is nowhere to be found. And the currently intuitive \u201cnaturels\u201d is translated to \u201cnatives,\u201d while \u201cindigenes\u201d is left completely untranslated.<\/p>\n

3. There were 3 different English editions of the work published prior to 1787 and therefore available to the Framers of the Constitution. They were London:1759, London:1760, and New York:1787. All of them translated \u201cLes Naturels ou indig\u00e8nes\u2026\u201d to read \u201cThe natives or indigenes\u2026\u201d<\/p>\n

4. Additional English editions were printed in Dublin:1792, London:1793, and New York:1796. All of them translated \u201cLes Naturels ou indig\u00e8nes\u2026\u201d to read \u201cThe natives or indigenes\u2026\u201d<\/p>\n

5. The first appearance of the phrase \u201cnatural-born citizens\u201d appears in the London:1797 edition, and it is a translation of the French word \u201cindig\u00e8nes,\u201d not the French \u201cnaturels.\u201d This was ten years after the Constitution was written, and 30 years after de Vattel\u2019s death.<\/p>\n

6. At the time of the framing of the Constitution, the \u201cde Vattel\u201d definition did not exist.<\/p>\n

7. There was a single definition of \u201cnatural-born citizen\/subject\u201d that existed in 1787 and was available to the Framers, and it was that of English Common Law. That definition was exclusively tied to place of birth, the citizenship status of parents was irrelevant.<\/p>\n

Your argument here, to be true, would require the Framers to be capable of time travel. While they were undoubtedly gifted men, being able to rend the time-space continuum was probably among the things they were good at.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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