{"id":2464,"date":"2008-08-28T08:19:41","date_gmt":"2008-08-28T12:19:41","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/valorguardians.com\/blog\/?p=2464"},"modified":"2008-08-28T08:19:41","modified_gmt":"2008-08-28T12:19:41","slug":"ivaw-police-face-off","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.azuse.cloud\/?p=2464","title":{"rendered":"IVAW, police face-off"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.azuse.cloud\/wp-content\/uploads\/2008\/08\/r1199027505.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-2465\" title=\"r1199027505\" src=\"https:\/\/www.azuse.cloud\/wp-content\/uploads\/2008\/08\/r1199027505.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"399\" height=\"258\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.azuse.cloud\/wp-content\/uploads\/2008\/08\/r1199027505.jpg 399w, https:\/\/www.azuse.cloud\/wp-content\/uploads\/2008\/08\/r1199027505-300x193.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 399px) 100vw, 399px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"http:\/\/news.yahoo.com\/nphotos\/slideshow\/photo\/\/080828\/ids_photos_ts\/r1199027505.jpg\/#photoViewer=\/080828\/ids_photos_ts\/r1199027505.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">Photo from Reuters<\/a><\/p>\n<p>While the Democrats were enjoying their convention last night, IVAW was leading an estimated crowd of 3500 protesters (varying sources put the number at 5000 and 7000, so you tell me) and demanded they be given time at the DNC podium to read Barack Obama their three aims. Those <a href=\"http:\/\/www.denverpost.com\/ci_10316096\" target=\"_blank\">aims being<\/a>;<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span id=\"redesign_default\">Removing U.S. troops from Iraq immediately, providing full health care benefits to returning veterans, and paying reparations to Iraqis for the damage done during the war.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>According to the <a href=\"http:\/\/news.yahoo.com\/s\/denverpost\/20080827\/pl_denverpost\/10319568_1\" target=\"_blank\">Denver Post<\/a>, there was a &#8220;tense stand off&#8221; between police and the veterans;<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>The veterans were arrayed in formation and in uniform, marching slowly toward a line of police, who had warned them they could be pepper sprayed and arrested. They were being watched by a crowd estimated by police at more than 5,000, many of whom had marched with the veterans from the Denver Coliseum.<\/p>\n<p>As the vets got within a few yards of the police, the cavalry arrived in the form of two white-shirted Obama staffers who asked a representative of the veterans to be escorted inside the security zone.<\/p>\n<p>After a brief conversation, a veteran&#8217;s representative said they had been promised a meeting with Obama&#8217;s liason for veteran&#8217;s affairs. A cheer went up, the veterans did an about face, and the Democrats appear to have avoided providing John McCain with some very unflattering video footage of veteran&#8217;s being pepper-sprayed hogtied and handcuffed outside their convention.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Another story, however shows up on the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.indypendent.org\/2008\/08\/28\/ivaw-obama\/\" target=\"_blank\">Indypendent<\/a>;<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>The march was met with a line of more than 100 Denver Police Department officers clad in riot gear and armed with batons and pepper ball guns at the intersection of Market and 17th Streets. The police refused to let IVAW or the thousands of antiwar demonstrators closer to the convention. After long moments of contention between the demonstration and the police, finally one IVAW representative, former U.S. Marine Liam Madden, was allowed to cross police lines to meet with representatives of the Obama campaign.<\/p>\n<p>As Madden left on his mission, it seemed as if more than 50 IVAW members were prepared to engage in non-violent civil disobedience and likely arrest. Less than 10 minutes later, at approximately 7:40pm (CT), an announcement was made by IVAW to the crowd, indicating that Obama had endorsed their three points of unity, causing the crowd to uproar in applause.<\/p>\n<p>Some veterans were visibly emotional by the end of the march. In a highly stirring and symbolic moment, members of IVAW gave a peace salute towards the direction of the Pepsi Center. There was then a moment of silence for casualties of the occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cSen. Obama, we won\u2019t forget this,\u201d said Jeff Engelhart, IVAW member who served in Baquba, Iraq, with the U.S. Army 1st Infantry Division, to the crowd via microphone and loud speakers. He went on to indicate that if Sen. Obama did not make good on his endorsement, more antiwar protests would come.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Well, there&#8217;s no confirmation that Obama endorsed their three points, in fact his <a href=\"http:\/\/www.barackobama.com\/issues\/iraq\/\" target=\"_blank\">website hasn&#8217;t changed<\/a> one word of his plan for Iraq. The <a href=\"http:\/\/www.rockymountainnews.com\/news\/2008\/aug\/27\/iraq-vets-win-offer-read-letter-delegates\/\" target=\"_blank\">Rocky Mountain News<\/a> confirms the Denver Post story that all the veterans got was a meeting, no endorsement of their three points;<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Iraq War veterans who led a march through the streets of Denver won a meeting with a liaIson from Sen. Barack Obama&#8217;s campaign.<\/p>\n<p>The news ended a tense standoff between the veterans and riot police near and entrance to the convention, and brought tears to the eyes of several vets.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>So, the Leftist independent media either got it wrong, or they intentionally lied. If they honestly think that Obama will ever agree to reparations to Iraq or immediate withdrawal from Iraq, they&#8217;re seriously deluded. I wonder if John Solz is taking notes on the people in the picture above and getting ready to dress them down for expressing political views while wearing a uniform.<\/p>\n<p>I have yet to see the big guns of the IVAW in Denver, yet. Apparently, <a href=\"http:\/\/kokesh.blogspot.com\/2008\/08\/adam-kokesh-fighting-alongside-mike-and.html\" target=\"_blank\">they&#8217;re in Minnesota<\/a> for the Republican convention.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Photo from Reuters While the Democrats were enjoying their convention last night, IVAW was leading an &hellip; <a title=\"IVAW, police face-off\" class=\"hm-read-more\" href=\"https:\/\/www.azuse.cloud\/?p=2464\"><span class=\"screen-reader-text\">IVAW, police face-off<\/span>Read more<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[8,46,37,47,6],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-2464","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-antiwar-crowd","category-barack-obama","category-ivaw","category-liberals-suck","category-media"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.azuse.cloud\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2464","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.azuse.cloud\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.azuse.cloud\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.azuse.cloud\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.azuse.cloud\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=2464"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.azuse.cloud\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2464\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.azuse.cloud\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=2464"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.azuse.cloud\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=2464"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.azuse.cloud\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=2464"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}