{"id":18472,"date":"2010-04-08T08:57:11","date_gmt":"2010-04-08T13:57:11","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/valorguardians.com\/blog\/?p=18472"},"modified":"2010-04-08T08:57:11","modified_gmt":"2010-04-08T13:57:11","slug":"more-flag-burning-opinion-from-ivaw","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.azuse.cloud\/?p=18472","title":{"rendered":"More flag burning opinion from IVAW"},"content":{"rendered":"<a href=\"https:\/\/www.azuse.cloud\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/03\/chiroux-murray-brower-flag.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.azuse.cloud\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/03\/chiroux-murray-brower-flag-297x300.jpg\" alt=\"IVAW&#039;s Matthis Chiroux, Robyn Murray and MFSO&#039;s Elaine Brower burn the US flag &quot;This is not my country!&quot;\" title=\"chiroux-murray-brower flag\" width=\"297\" height=\"300\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-18257\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.azuse.cloud\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/03\/chiroux-murray-brower-flag-297x300.jpg 297w, https:\/\/www.azuse.cloud\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/03\/chiroux-murray-brower-flag.jpg 496w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 297px) 100vw, 297px\" \/><\/a>\n<p>One Iraq Veterans Against the War member of whom I&#8217;ve never heard until today is Joyce Wagner. She&#8217;s one of those actual Iraq veterans whose number is dwindling at IVAW these days. She pens an opinion on the IVAW website today &#8211;  probably the first hing I&#8217;ve seen written there with which I agree;<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>So when Matthis took an action, whether right or wrong, without considering this community it became incredibly offensive. As Matthis continues to boast his righteousness, even having the audacity to compare himself to Martin Luther King, it becomes more offensive.<\/p>\n<p>Members from the Pittsburgh chapter composed a letter to the board of directors, which several other individual members signed onto in agreement. This letter was not asking for reprimand or punishment. It was simply asking for dialog, something that has thus been refused. We also suggested that if Matthis wants to perform renegade actions without care for the others in his community (including those who were present in DC on that same day who were performing their own action TOGETHER) he should voluntarily remove himself from the board in order to accomplish his own agenda, whatever that maybe.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>At least some members of IVAW see the act for what it was &#8211; a selfish plea for attention. <\/p>\n<p>Wagner writes that IVAW provides an opportunity for some members to express a unique shared viewpoint, But is that really the case these days, Joyce? The support that she claimed she got from IVAW membership has been co-opted by a far Left minority who only wants people in :Iraq veteran&#8221; T-shirts to prop up in front of their rallies. Matthis&#8217; actions on March 20th prove this. He had no illusions that he was pissing on the more conservative, more &#8220;pro-America&#8221;  membership of IVAW, but because he&#8217;s been able to twist the real message of IVAW, and bend the Board to his will with his idit antics, he knew that spinless Jose Vasquez and the other non-Iraq War veterans on the board would capitulate to him. <\/p>\n<p>Now your choice is whether you want to remain with the sinking ship of the IVAW or whether you want to seek the camaraderie of REAL Iraq veterans, or whether you want to wallow in theatrics of the porcine Left. The Board has left you no choice, except confronting Matthis yourself, with their decision to let Matthis continue unabated and to embrace the profane message of Elaine Brower &#8220;This is what we think of this country&#8221;. As well as, Matthis&#8217; &#8220;This is not my country&#8221;. <\/p>\n<p>From this point forward, every IVAW T-shirt will be conflated with those messages of Matthis Chiroux and Elaine Brower.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>One Iraq Veterans Against the War member of whom I&#8217;ve never heard until today is Joyce &hellip; <a title=\"More flag burning opinion from IVAW\" class=\"hm-read-more\" href=\"https:\/\/www.azuse.cloud\/?p=18472\"><span class=\"screen-reader-text\">More flag burning opinion from IVAW<\/span>Read more<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[8,37,30,52],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-18472","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-antiwar-crowd","category-ivaw","category-phony-soldiers","category-usual-suspects"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.azuse.cloud\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/18472","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.azuse.cloud\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.azuse.cloud\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.azuse.cloud\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.azuse.cloud\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=18472"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.azuse.cloud\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/18472\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.azuse.cloud\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=18472"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.azuse.cloud\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=18472"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.azuse.cloud\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=18472"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}