Mimority Leader Boehner put out a press release today entitled:\u00a0 SHOCK VIDEO: HOUSE DEM SAYS TERRORISTS SHOULD RECEIVE SAME \u201cDUE PROCESS\u201d RIGHTS AS U.S. TROOPS<\/p>\n
OK, now, I really don’t like the Dem in question, and I do like Boehner, which is why I already hate this post, because I disagree with the guys I should like, and agree with the dude I don’t. Anyway, here is Dem Rep Adam Schiff’s comments, followed by the video:<\/p>\n
REP. ADAM SCHIFF (D-CA): \u201cI think we can use the Uniform Code of Military Justice in the military courts which are very much a home-court advantage and we can held up to the rest of the world that we\u2019re giving these detainees the same due process we give our own troops when they\u2019re brought up on court martial charges. Nothing more and nothing less.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<\/param><\/param><\/param><\/embed><\/object><\/p>\nFar from being shocked, this seems logical to me. A trial is what we use to determine guilt or innocence isn’t it? I don’t really see why the due process rights of Detainees should be less or more than anyone else. (See Below for Clarification) Troops get off or convicted all the time, and terrorists won’t make any difference. To me to suggest otherwise smacks of the same argument that we fight over Affirmative Action and other things. Equality of Opportunity does not equate to Equality of Outcome, right? So, I don’t really care if we get these terrorists every due process right in creation, if they are guilty (and these bastards are) then our system will convict them. <\/p>\nSo, tell me where I am wrong? I just think that the rules should be followed. Are child molestation and shoplifting equally reprehensible acts? No, but the courts martial will follow the same procedures, right? So, give these Jihadis all the procedural rights that I (would have) got(ten), I am totally fine with that, provided that if (when) found guilty they get what is coming to them.<\/p>\nBased on the logic that the procedure should be different, then that US Soldier who threw a grenade in his commanders tent should be tried under what procedures? <\/p>\nBY WAY OF CLARIFICATION: If they lined these guys up and shot them I also wouldn’t care. Foreign Jihadists don’t get any constitutional rights whatsoever, so I really don’t care. But, I think I am more in disagreement with the use of this in a political mold. If we’ve decided to try these guys in a military court, I don’t want to see us change the due process rights, only because then we’ll just be accused again (as we have for years) of making up Kangaroo courts and such.<\/p>\nBy virtue of the recent Supreme Court Decisions regarding Gitmo Habeus Rights, and the jackass decision to possibly give Habeus rights to Bagram Detainees, at this point I say just try them all and punish them and let the ACLU bitch after the fact.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"Mimority Leader Boehner put out a press release today entitled:\u00a0 SHOCK VIDEO: HOUSE DEM SAYS TERRORISTS … This will likely not win me friends…<\/span>Read more<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":148,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[5],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-10434","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-politics"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.azuse.cloud\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/10434","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.azuse.cloud\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.azuse.cloud\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.azuse.cloud\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/148"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.azuse.cloud\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=10434"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.azuse.cloud\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/10434\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.azuse.cloud\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=10434"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.azuse.cloud\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=10434"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.azuse.cloud\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=10434"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}
REP. ADAM SCHIFF (D-CA): \u201cI think we can use the Uniform Code of Military Justice in the military courts which are very much a home-court advantage and we can held up to the rest of the world that we\u2019re giving these detainees the same due process we give our own troops when they\u2019re brought up on court martial charges. Nothing more and nothing less.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n
<\/param><\/param><\/param><\/embed><\/object><\/p>\nFar from being shocked, this seems logical to me. A trial is what we use to determine guilt or innocence isn’t it? I don’t really see why the due process rights of Detainees should be less or more than anyone else. (See Below for Clarification) Troops get off or convicted all the time, and terrorists won’t make any difference. To me to suggest otherwise smacks of the same argument that we fight over Affirmative Action and other things. Equality of Opportunity does not equate to Equality of Outcome, right? So, I don’t really care if we get these terrorists every due process right in creation, if they are guilty (and these bastards are) then our system will convict them. <\/p>\nSo, tell me where I am wrong? I just think that the rules should be followed. Are child molestation and shoplifting equally reprehensible acts? No, but the courts martial will follow the same procedures, right? So, give these Jihadis all the procedural rights that I (would have) got(ten), I am totally fine with that, provided that if (when) found guilty they get what is coming to them.<\/p>\nBased on the logic that the procedure should be different, then that US Soldier who threw a grenade in his commanders tent should be tried under what procedures? <\/p>\nBY WAY OF CLARIFICATION: If they lined these guys up and shot them I also wouldn’t care. Foreign Jihadists don’t get any constitutional rights whatsoever, so I really don’t care. But, I think I am more in disagreement with the use of this in a political mold. If we’ve decided to try these guys in a military court, I don’t want to see us change the due process rights, only because then we’ll just be accused again (as we have for years) of making up Kangaroo courts and such.<\/p>\nBy virtue of the recent Supreme Court Decisions regarding Gitmo Habeus Rights, and the jackass decision to possibly give Habeus rights to Bagram Detainees, at this point I say just try them all and punish them and let the ACLU bitch after the fact.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"Mimority Leader Boehner put out a press release today entitled:\u00a0 SHOCK VIDEO: HOUSE DEM SAYS TERRORISTS … This will likely not win me friends…<\/span>Read more<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":148,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[5],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-10434","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-politics"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.azuse.cloud\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/10434","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.azuse.cloud\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.azuse.cloud\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.azuse.cloud\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/148"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.azuse.cloud\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=10434"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.azuse.cloud\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/10434\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.azuse.cloud\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=10434"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.azuse.cloud\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=10434"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.azuse.cloud\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=10434"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}
Far from being shocked, this seems logical to me. A trial is what we use to determine guilt or innocence isn’t it? I don’t really see why the due process rights of Detainees should be less or more than anyone else. (See Below for Clarification) Troops get off or convicted all the time, and terrorists won’t make any difference. To me to suggest otherwise smacks of the same argument that we fight over Affirmative Action and other things. Equality of Opportunity does not equate to Equality of Outcome, right? So, I don’t really care if we get these terrorists every due process right in creation, if they are guilty (and these bastards are) then our system will convict them. <\/p>\n
So, tell me where I am wrong? I just think that the rules should be followed. Are child molestation and shoplifting equally reprehensible acts? No, but the courts martial will follow the same procedures, right? So, give these Jihadis all the procedural rights that I (would have) got(ten), I am totally fine with that, provided that if (when) found guilty they get what is coming to them.<\/p>\n
Based on the logic that the procedure should be different, then that US Soldier who threw a grenade in his commanders tent should be tried under what procedures? <\/p>\n
BY WAY OF CLARIFICATION: If they lined these guys up and shot them I also wouldn’t care. Foreign Jihadists don’t get any constitutional rights whatsoever, so I really don’t care. But, I think I am more in disagreement with the use of this in a political mold. If we’ve decided to try these guys in a military court, I don’t want to see us change the due process rights, only because then we’ll just be accused again (as we have for years) of making up Kangaroo courts and such.<\/p>\n
By virtue of the recent Supreme Court Decisions regarding Gitmo Habeus Rights, and the jackass decision to possibly give Habeus rights to Bagram Detainees, at this point I say just try them all and punish them and let the ACLU bitch after the fact.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"
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