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Category: Veterans For Peace/VVAW

  • Occupy the VA

    JP sends us a link to another video from the Occupy DC folks which was posted the other day. It looks like, for some reason, a bunch of scruffy-looking folks claiming to be veterans were denied access to the VA building on Vermont Ave. in DC, a few blocks from the White House;

    They claim that they’re trying to get into the building to get treatment, but there’s no treatment available at that building. The Department of Homeland Security Police are preventing them from entering. The Department of Homeland Security police are different from the Department of Homeland Security in that they only act as local law enforcement, the FBI has FBI police, too. They aren’t agents only police.

    The little fat turd making the most noise is Bill Perry. Perry was one of the original Vietnam Veterans Against the War who testified at Winter Soldier along with John Kerry. Perry told me once that his testimony at WInter Soldier was “complete bullshit” that he told the stories just so he could score some hairy-legged hippie chicks. After I told the world what he said, Perry, along with Ward Reilly, threatened to kick my ass. Needless to say, I laughed at him and continued to interview him and Reilly. Perry is still in Veterans For Peace, along with the rest of those losers.

    By the way, Perry claims that he’s VSO rep, but I can tell you the names of at least one person who had their claim at the DVA dropped because Perry didn’t follow up on the application. He’s a VSO rep only so he can lie to more people.

  • Vets for Peace on a mission to Pakistan

    Old Trooper sends us a link to the story of how some of the Veterans for Sitting on Our Hands are on their way on a trip paid for by Code Pink to South Waziristan demanding that more US troops be killed. Ostensibly, they’re there to bring us the stories of the “victims” of the drone war against terrorists, but not how they’re victims of the terrorists who reside there. or how they happen to be between the drones and the terrorists.

    VFP President Leah Bolger said, “The use of combat drones is both immoral and illegal. They violate the sovereign airspace of countries that we have not declared war with, and have killed thousands of innocent civilians. Can you imagine how the American public would react if another country murdered our citizens with drones? The U.S. military favors the use of drones because they ‘save American lives’ — when will we start thinking of the lives of others as being as valuable as our own?”

    Believe it or not, Leah Bolger is a Navy veteran and she’s traveling with Army veteran Ann Wright both of whom apparently want American troops formerly under their respective commands to die. While I’m not ready to admit that the drone war is particularly effective in winning the war against terror, I’m for anything that saves US lives and at the same grants the wishes of jihadists who are in a rush to meet their prophet.

    It’s probably important that I point out that Ann Wright was also on the Board of Advisors of OpTruth, the Paul Rieckhoff-inspired predecessor to IAVA.

  • Veterans for Peace “huddle” with Ahmadinejad

    The Washington Times reports that after Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad got done telling the world that he was being victimized by “uncivilized Zionists” he went into a huddle with our old friends, the mostly phony “Veterans for Peace”.

    Addressing the meeting, Veterans For Peace President Leah Bolger stressed VFP’s commitment to doing everything possible to prevent a US or US-assisted attack on Iran. …

    “Veterans For Peace is gravely concerned by the bellicose language coming from the government of Israel and the US regarding Iran, as well as the words that President Obama is NOT saying-and that is, that the government of the US will NOT support a military attack on Iran by Israel. We believe that without a specific denial of support for such an attack, that Israel will interpret this as tacit approval.”

    I call them mostly phony because nearly every one of them that we’ve examined closely has had something in their military records that they’re being disingenuous about. Like Ward Reilly, Doug Zachary, Hal Muskat, Bill Perry, Robert Dennen, and Jim Goodnow.

    They’re a bunch of hippie burn-outs and never-weres from the Vietnam generation (by the way, only Bill Perry in the list above ever went to Vietnam and he admitted to me that his testimony at Winter Soldier was “bullshit”) and shouldn’t be allowed to give the impression that they represent veterans in any way, shape or form. In fact they should all go to Iran and see how long their bullshit politics lasts over there.

    If they wanted to do something constructive during their “huddle” with Ahmadinejad, they could have tried to talk to him about his uncivilized behavior instead of focusing on US and Israeli policy. But then, they haven’t done anything constructive up to this point in their lives, I don’t know why I’d expect different behavior from them now.

  • UPDATED: A reply from the Rag Blog.

    A few days ago I asked for your experiences from the anti-war groups during the Vietnam War. Many of you responded about your personal experiences in response to the accusations that these never happened. A few days ago the main editor responded in the article.

    I was heavily involved in the movement against the War in Vietnam from its earliest days through its duration — working primarily in Texas, but also in Northern California and New York. I helped organize and attended dozens of demonstrations and public events, including major national actions like the massive March on the Pentagon.

    I rarely saw GIs in any way disrespected and never saw a single instance of physical abuse. It was a highly-charged time and certainly there were some idiots out there, but to suggest that there was widespread disrespect towards GIs from within the peace movement is patently absurd.

    The Vietnam War became extremely unpopular among the general populace and also within the military itself. There was major opposition — and active resistance — among soldiers in Vietnam.

    GIs and returning vets were at the heart of the peace movement and we considered GIs — who were overwhelmingly draftees and many of whom were our childhood friends — to be our brothers and sisters, and to be victims of the system. They were certainly not the enemy.

    This is a terribly destructive myth and a disgraceful — and highly political — reinvention of history.

    How in the world do you expect us to believe that returning veterans were welcomed by the anti-war groups when people in the current anti-war generations have made it vary vocal to the contrary? Or do you mean the veterans that say want you want them to say?

    But the main point is that how can you say that the anti-war groups during the Vietnam War was a friend to US Veterans when the the current one has been anything but?


    Update:     More comments are coming in.

    In the 47 years I have been back from that war, I have yet to find a veteran who can speak first-hand about being spat on or any of the other right wing lies about how the antiwar movement treated veterans. I am sure “Masterspork,” who probably never got closer to combat (assuming he actually ever served) than the “warehouse wars” in Cam Ranh Bay over how many cartons of cigarettes were going to be “lost” for later sale on the black market, can’t tell any first-hand accounts either.

    Yea, because I never deployed for 14 months and went on over at least 164 missions in that time.

    No one can account for every hippie walking through an airport. But it was the consistent policy of every antiwar group to reach out to soldiers. Why else did we found the Oleo Strutt and a dozen other GI coffee houses?

    Yea like Under the Hood? The place where several people used as a place to meet before and after trying to stop the #rd ACR from deploying?Telling them they were going to “Die like Shit”?

    But the best one of all.

    As a Vietnam War veteran who volunteered and served honorably, I feel I was very naive when I volunteered, but slowly realized that I had been lied to and duped. When I returned I was never accosted or abused by anyone, especially not the students at the University of Texas, or while I traveled; and I never observed this happening to any Vietnam Vet. As to those who say they did, well I just do not believe it. The book mentioned above (The Spitting Image: Myth, Memory, and the Legacy of Vietnam, New York University Press, 1998) researched and documented the news reports and magazines of the time and never found a report of spitting or calling “Baby Killer.” That line by Unknown (Jul 21, 2012) above, “They shouted “baby killer” and spit on me” is right out of the movie “Rambo: First Blood in 1982 ” where Sylvester Stallone delivers a monologue saying, “”It wasn’t my war. You asked me, I didn’t ask you and I did what I had to do to win, but somebody wouldn’t let us win. And I come back to the world and I see maggots at the airport, protesting me, spitting, calling me baby-killer and all kinds of vile crap!” ” The only true part of that is the, “It wasn’t my war.”

    UPDATE x2

    Your statements are absolutely false. There were many of the lying, so called “Swift Boaters for Truth [sic]” and others who made the statements you did. For this reason VVAW had a strict rule that when we participated in protests we were to always carry our DD214s to prove our service in Vietnam. To this day I still carry a copy of my DD214 and my orders to report to the 5th Special Forces Group when I protest another war. When the liars, Scott Swett, Jerome Corsi, Larry Bailey, and B. G. Burkett, made those claims to me at the 5th Triennial Vietnam Symposium at The Vietnam Center at Texas Tech University, I pulled out my DD214 Burkett waved me off and said, “That doesn’t mean anything, those can be changed.” You can view and hear the SwiftBoat Liars talks here. Note at 1:12:44 Larry Bailey’s response to me when he asked for questions:

    Then you can watch the VVAW responses here:

    As to your claim, “Anti-War groups were very violent and intolerant of anyone in a military hair cut” you are painting all those who protested the Vietnam mess with the same brush. There were those who, after years of protest, became angry and may have been violent. However, most of it was overblown. And the SwiftBoat Liars tried to say that VVAW and John Kerry were violent, yet the very FBI records that the SwiftBoaters refer to stated very clearly: “The delegations from New England and the East Coast proposed activities a week before Christmas and advocated non-violent civil disobedience.” The VVAW New England and the East Coast were Kerry’s delegations to the VVAW Steering Committee, yet the SwiftBoating Liars used the violent claim against Kerry in the 2004 election, all LIES!

    It was the Texas VVAW who helped the GIs in the Oleo Strut Coffee House in Killeen. We were not “intolerant of anyone in a military hair cut,” we were there to help and support them. If you felt that way, I suspect it was your own projection that made you feel that way, because it did not come from the VVAW.

    Peace, Terry J. DuBose, 1st Lt. US Regular Army, Airborne, Vietnam 1967-68; Texas VVAW State Coordinator & National Steering Committee, 1970-1972.

  • Asking for your experences with the the anti-war groups during the Vietnam War.

    I recently read one of the blogs that I avoid for this reason. This time the Rag Blog is writing about the insults and saliva that the Troops faced when they came back home. In this post they claim that it was all just a myth that never happened. That all of it was done by the media to discredit the anti-war movement.

    In addition the government and its “partners” will be distributing educational materials about the war, according to the Pentagon, but it is unlikely that the Vietnamese side of the story or that of the multitude of war resisters in the U.S., civilian and military, will receive favorable attention. Many facts, including the origins of the war will undoubtedly be changed to conform to the commemoration’s main goal of minimizing Washington’s defeat and maximizing the heroism and loyalty of the troops.

    Granted this is nothing new but this is the sentence that made me post about this.

    Thanks for this. It’s always amazed me that people would claim returning Viet Nam vets were badly-treated in the U.S. Hell, these guys were our friends; we all knew people who went over because they personally saw no alternative. We were on their side and we welcomed them home.

    Know who’s been making this shit up? The guys who backed the war but evaded service –– and who do nothing for veterans even now: the chickenhawks like Cheney and Rumsfeld and the AWOL Bush

    So if you have a experience with the anti-war movement feel free to head on over there and tell them your story.

  • Veterans For Peace in Syracuse demanding that more troops die

    Well, that’s not what they said, but you tell me what else could be the possible reason for protesting against the use of drones if they don’t advocate that more US troops be engaged with the enemy. It’s only fair that more US troops die, right? 28 protesters were arrested in DeWitt, NY outside of Hancock Field in one of my countless hometowns, Syracuse, NY;

    Sunday’s protest was part of a weekend event by the Upstate Coalition to Ground the Drones and End the Wars. The group opposes the military’s use of unmanned drones to target suspected terrorists in Afghanistan and elsewhere.

    Organizers said about 50 people participated. The Onondaga Sheriff’s Department estimated that about 150 protested.

    The 174th Fighter Wing of the New York Air National Guard has been remotely flying MQ-9 Reaper drones over Afghanistan, from Syracuse, since late 2009. The unmanned surveillance aircraft is armed with Hellfire missiles and laser-guided bombs.

    The key phrase here is “target…terrorists” So these ass monkeys must be opposed to killing terrorists. Don’t they realize that drones are the centerpiece of Joe “Bite Me” Biden’s robot ninja zombie strategy in Afghanistan? They put him in office…are they surprised that Biden sees the political value of killing terrorists by risking the lives of fewer US service members?

    28 of the little cretins in jail…that’s punishment right there for Syracuse’s normal jail crowd of shoplifters and drunk drivers to be confined with that crowd. Actually, 27 of them were issued appearance tickets.

    The 28th person, Jamie Stewart, 29, of Coatsville, Pa., was charged with resisting arrest, a misdemeanor, after lying down in the middle of East Molloy Road, Gabriel said. Stewart was arraigned in the village of East Syracuse and held at the Onondaga County Justice Center on $250 cash or $500 bond.

    Now where is a filthy, jobless hippie going to get $250 dollars? That’s cruel and unusual to make him even think about earning some money.

  • Code Pink (hearts) Ron Paul

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    Claymore sends a link from Big Peace which reports what we already know; Code Pink and Veterans For Peace are coming our for Ron Paul. It was almost a year ago that we first reported Code Pink support for Ron Paul.

    But, as we’ve said before, Ron Paul’s foreign policy isn’t that far from the anti-war Left, which is why he has attracted people like IVAW’s Adam Kokesh and Rethink Afghanistan’s Jake Diliberto. Of course, Kokesh and Code Pink have been tied to each other for ages, like when Adam hosted their Karaoke fundraiser over three years ago, and their recent adventures in dancing at the Jefferson Memorial. It’s a foreign policy that is naive and will intentionally make the US weaker. That Maoists and racists like Medea Benjamin are attracted to him isn’t that surprising;

    It’s CODEPINK founder Medea Benjamin, who’s now on record saying: “I think Ron Paul has a remarkable position when it comes to U.S. foreign policy, and his call for no war on Iran is something that many of us support.”

    Benjamin has latched onto Paul’s incessant criticism of the wars we’ve fought in Afghanistan and Iraq, and she claims that the Texas Congressman “has tremendous support among many young people who see that their futures are being frittered away by spending trillions of dollars on unjust wars.”

    The article goes on to mention that Veterans For Peace, that POS stepchild of the old Vietnam Veterans Against the War which is chock full of phonies and pretenders like Ward Reilly and Doug Zachary. So I guess that’s more proof that most veterans support Ron Paul. As long as they don’t mind getting in bed with Medea Benjamin.

  • Jay Polk, the Occupy San Diego dead Master Sergeant

    That dead Master Sergeant Jay Polk who Vets For Peace memorialized last month, about whom there are doubts regarding his death? Well, he was almost a Special Forces Master Sergeant, well as close to a Special Forces Master Sergeant can get to a Reservist who got booted out in clerk basic training at Fort Jackson;

    Here’s his storied and extensive career:

    It looks like he spent more time in the MEPPS station than he did at Fort Jackson.

    Now you mean to tell me that those cum bubbles in VFP spent more than four months with this blivethead and they didn’t see a one month basic trainee drop out, but they did see a Special Forces Master Sergeant in him?

    But it was more about what he gave them than about what he actually was. He gave them a martyr, well, not now, he made them look like the dipshit goofballs that they really are. Of course, we’ve exposed a number of VFP phonies here, so their inability to spot a real veteran is well-known at TAH. At least this one wasn’t wearing his father’s medals to “honor” his service.

    We’ve exposed enough of these Occupy phony numbnuts to rightfully doubt that any of them are veterans. Not only did he make the Occupy numbnuts look like jokes, he took in the DU numbnuts, too, and got them thinking that there are SF troops in Syria. Good job, Jay, you jerk-ass BOLO, you. By the way, if it isn’t obvious, I think the fucker is still alive.

    Thanks to the POW Network folks who’ve been leading the internet on this guy.

    Added Feb 6, 2012; For posterity and through the magic of internet cache, the now-deleted DU hysteria;