Category: Protests/Rallies

  • Winter Soldier II; my impressions, an AAR

    I’ve been ruminating how I would close out this weekend after focusing on Winter Soldier for the last few days. I thought a point-by-point refutation of the testimony, but I figured that’d be disingenuous of me, since the testimony lacked context – there were no dates or times or places (other than general references) or even participants in some cases. So, just like the participants, I can only give general impressions – only I’ll do it without playing to the applause.

    First, my personal experience with the IVAW/Veterans for Peace and the other and sundry people was professional. I wasn’t especially pleased that I was escorted everywhere I went, or that we spent the day surrounded by security people, or that our blogs were being monitored – however, it does lend what I wrote a measure of credibility. But there were news outlets like the Guardian and al Jazeera wandering around without security and writing what they want. I’ll grant that my readership is somewhat less than theirs, but the product I created was under much more scrutiny while it was being released to the public.

    I commend Army Sergeant for her hard work in getting access to the event for us. I’m sure she burned off more than a few calories running in circles making sure we weren’t overly-harassed or confined. Without her support, we’d have been stuck watching the streaming video from our homes like everyone else. We were instructed to only photograph the panels and that we couldn’t photograph the audience. When one member of the audience took a snap shot of TSO and me, I brought it to the attention of one security member and she deleted the picture from his camera.

    However, I do condemn them for tackling from behind Gerry Kiley whom I reported stood up and yelled “Kerry lied and good men died”. I don’t agree with what Mr. Kiley did – it certainly didn’t remove any scrutiny from what we were doing – but tackling a frail 61-year-old from behind was just as cruel as any testimony from the panel. I’m sure they could have easily pulled him from the room without the drama. But then the whole day was about over-reaction, wasn’t it?

    But to the testimony; War sucks. It’s sucked since the beginning of the invention of the rock as a weapon. Innocent people die in war, and that sucks, too. But not since the beginning of warfare has any Army taken such care to minimize innocent deaths as the United States armed forces. Never. That’s indisputable.

    But, the people who testified Friday glossed over that fact. Take Kelly Dougherty’s testimony that Kellog, Brown and Root prevented scavengers from taking the diesel fuel from their disabled vehicles by firing beanbag rounds at them. What other military entity in the world uses beanbag rounds in a combat zone?

    Jason Hurd testified that the ROE ALMOST forced him to shoot a woman carrying home groceries – he broke into tears and slung snot all over the panel because he ALMOST shot a woman. I guess the fact that escaped him was that the ROE worked – he didn’t have to shoot her.

    Hurd also tearfully testified that his unit, when fired upon from a building turned a 50-cal on the building and unleashed 200 rounds on the masonry structure. The firing stopped and the unit continued their mission. Hurd went into great detail explaining the size of the rounds and the brass (by the way, Jason, a fifty-cal is a half-inch in diameter, you missed that) and how much ammo is in the metal container – but I fail to see how that reflects on the Bush administration or that Pentagon entity he was trying to blame. Hurd admitted that he doesn’t know how many people were in the building, that he knows of no casualties resulting from that action – so one is left to wonder what was his point?

    The point of the whole testimony, for the entire day I spent there was that the war is illegal from the get-go. They offered no evidence that the war is illegal – but when there’s room full of aged bobbleheads nodding on cue – who needs evidence? All of these terrible things that happened could have been avoided if George W, Bush and the evil neo-cons hadn’t invaded Iraq in the first place. No one had stories of torture or atrocities – they only described the horror of being in war. You could only accept these things as atrocities if you accepted at the beginning that war is illegal. Without that admission, you were left to wonder what everyone was talking about.

    That was one of the problems – I was probably one of the youngest people in the room and I’m nearly 53 years old. The audience were a bunch of old hippies who’d never served in the military and had never seen a war outside of the context of the politics of war. They tch-tched their way through the hearings without understanding the pains the military had to suffer to avoid real atrocities. Their only solution to the war was ending it – today with no real thought of the consequences. The only victory they sought was a victory of Democrats over Republicans regardless of what the nation would be forced to deal with when their solution was enacted.

    Almost everyone testified that they were confused as to the ROE – but then they all testified to a measure of restraint they all knew was present. Um, the ROE. The confusion came when they actually had to apply their own common sense in relation to the ROE and their circumstances.

    Jon Michael Turner started telling us how he shot people, he showed us pictures of his kills (dare I say trophies?) – but he neglected to fill in the part about why he shot those people in the first place. I’m pretty sure he didn’t just indiscriminately shoot “the fat man” or the guy in the bicycle. Why didn’t he tell us about the events leading up to his pulling the trigger instead of beginning his stories with the death of his targets? He referred to his “choking hand” and his bracelet on his choking hand – but he failed to tell us if he ever used his “choking hand” to choke anyone that didn’t deserved to be choked. Just that he had a “choking hand”. And then he went on to tell us that he’s not the monster he once was. Well, fellow Vermonter, what made you a monster – the fact that you designated one of your hands a “choking hand”?

    His testimony has changed somewhat since January when this video was posted on YouTube and Turner announced that atrocities against innocent civilians was the policy of the military in Iraq.

    From his testimony Friday, it seems the only policy of committing atrocities against Iraqi civilians was his own.

    James Gilligan’s claims were funny. Some troops stole a few gold coins they found (wasn’t that in the movie “Three Kings?) – what about the troops who found billions of US currency and didn’t take even a George Washington? His first sergeant threatened a boy with a pistol – he didn’t kill the boy, he didn’t harm the boy, he just threatened him. hardly an atrocity. Oh, and he outright lied about witnessing someone being waterboarded – but then he was playing to the crowd. More detractors of the practice have been waterboarded to demonstrate it to the masses than have been actually waterboarded to extract information. But as soon as he said “…and of course they were waterboarded”, all of the bobbleheads in the audience went to nodding.

    While we’re on the subject of lying, Adam Kokesh began his testimony with a lie – that’s why I switched on the video – so I didn’t have to listen to him and then get dragged out like Gerry Kiley. He claimed that he’d opposed the war before it began but joined because he thought it was his duty – his website used to claim he joined because he was a real hoo-ah guy and supported the war against terrorists and he’d been influenced by recruiters but the horrors of war turned him against it. So now that he’s established that he’s a liar. when was he lying – on Friday or on his blog? Kokesh depends on people to forget what he’s said in the past.

    The real atrocity stories were being told out by the ashtray, though. I don’t know how many of the IVAW kids I heard relating their tales to the belly-shirt, hip-hugger wearing college aged chickies while I took my smokebreaks. But I don’t want to c***block on any of those guys who might still be laid up with their airhead honeys today – that’d be a neocon atrocity.

    No matter how hard the panels tried, they tried to make it about the Bush Administration, but their testimony all boiled down to the actions of the soldiers. They claimed to support the troops, but their supposed atrocities were all the result of small unit leaders’ actions (yes, guys, your captains and lieutenants are “troops”, too). No matter how hard they tried to deflect their criticism away from the troops, it hit all of our service members square in the forehead. Registering your gun with willie pete isn’t a decision made by some faceless neo-con in the Pentagon, calling for fire on a village is a company commander’s decision, not Dick Cheney’s. Bragging about firing up a civilian car isn’t coming from the Defense Department. George Bush wasn’t pushing down on the 50-cal’s butterflies or reloading the gun.

    I may have some more thoughts as the day goes on, but I’m going to spend the day with my grandson. Keep an eye on The Sniper, TSO is supposed to be live-blogging the media portion of the testimony.

    Thanks to all the bloggers that linked to this today and welcome to the readers of Blackfive, Pal2Pal, the Democracy Project, Chickenhawk Express and Obit Dictum.

    Update: Make sure you read the AAR of my battle buddy, TSO, at Vets For Freedom and The Sniper.

  • Eagles & Freepers rally for the troops

    While the IVAW, Veterans for Peace and all of the assorted anti-war groups were in Silver Spring, Maryland, Gathering of Eagles, Eagles UP, Move America Forward and other pro-troop organizations assembled on the National Mall in the shadow of the Washington Monument to support the troops – and to celebrate the first anniversary of their founding event against the March on the Pentagon – also the most successful day of this blog to date.

    I’d been told that the rally would start at 17th and Constitution at 10 o’clock, so you can imagine my disappointment when I arrived at about 11 and found the corner empty. But I turned my head about 45 degrees east and saw a multitude of American flags snapping in the breeze near the Washington Monument and I knew I’d found them;

    Their numbers were still a bit anemic, but a chilly wind was still blowing out of the north and it was a few hours until the march, I was pretty sure numbers would grow. Meanwhile I wandered around and found I’m sort of popular these days since my live blogging yesterday and my visit to the Freepers and Eagles yesterday.

    I also bumped into readers/commenters Dinky Dau, 509th Bob and Streetsweeper as well as fellow bloggers Skye and Rurick. It was a regular This Ain’t Hell reunion. It was a great experience after being cooped up with the other side yesterday. Much better people;

    As the morning wore on, the numbers swelled;

    Dinky Dau expressed regret that there were fewer people than he expected, but I told him to remember that before a year ago, it would have been impossible to assemble even a tenth of the number that were there. Ask Free Republic – I remember when they’d have rallies of ten or fifteen people.

    By the time the march started, I guess there were probably 500 people there – and they picked up another 25 people who joined the march as they passed – but I’ll get to that in a moment.

    We opened the event with the Star Spangled Banner and the Pledge of Allegiance, then we were addressed by Melanie Morgan of Move America Forward;

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    Her main concern is protection of our military recruiters. We’ve seen protests become more violent against recruiters in recent days. That’s why I plan on following the ANSWER crowds around on Wednesday when they plan to disrupt recruiting activities in DC

    Some of you may remember Debbie Lee from her address to the Berkeley City Council. She was there to represent Gold Star families;

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    A Marine recently returned from Iraq thanked the group;

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    As well as a recently returned Airman;

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    It’s my understanding that they were in DC on leave and just happened to pass by and joined in the rally. I thought that was pretty cool.

    Then Laura Youngblood, a Gold Star wife, lent her support

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    After a prayer, it was time to begin the march.

    In case anyone doubts my estimate of the crowd, here’s a video of the entire parade passing by;

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    Bystanders joined in the march as we passed the crowds at the museums along Constitution Avenue – like I said probably about twenty of them including this girl who had been walking her puppy – which turned into a puppy-carry because of the excitement;

    Lucky for Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, we turned before we got to the Capitol.

    As I said it was quite a bit different than being among the opposition yesterday. Instead of a bunch of people trying to act like they had PTSD, it was a group made up largely of veterans (oh, and the were a goodly number of people who weren’t veterans at the WSII thing, too, in case someone wants to debate the “Never Served” argument again) who were exhilarated by their successes over the last year and looking at a bright future for our nation.

    Like I said yesterday about the protest against WSII, I was amazed at the number of people who honked their horns in support of the Eagles, et al., and the folks who applauded as the march passed them. Maybe we really are making a difference.

    As I mentioned, Skye from Midnight Blue was at the rally, too, and she has pictures up now Marooned in Marin was there, too. It looks like we missed each other by a gnat’s wing.

    Thanks to Jammie Wearing Fool, Illusion or Reality and Gateway Pundit for the links. Welcome to new Blogrollee True North.

    UPDATE: Here’s a video I spiced together from some reactions of the crowd who lined the street as the march passed;

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    Editor’s Note: If I made a mistake with names or organizations please let me know – I’m terrible with names.

  • Live blogging Winter Soldier II (Part IV)

    Rules of Engagement part II – we’re warned of graphic language and graphic images.

    Vincent Emmanuel (second from left in photo) complained that troops took “potshots” at “property, cars, people…I remember myself firing indiscriminately without knowing what I was shooting at…” “We punched, kicked and mistreated innocent Iraqis being released from interrogation” “It’s standard procedure to run over dead bodies in the road”

    Sergio Kochergian (third from left in photo) Saw friends getting killed and blown up everyday. ROE changed from calling in suspicious activity to engaging armed non-Americans. ROE changed again to just kill anyone with a sack over their shoulder digging along the road. ROE changed again to individuals’ discretion. “I don’t know what’s going on over there, but I want to apologize to all of the people in Iraq”

    Hart Viges (fourth from left) fired up an old lady carrying groceries. Butt-stroked people for no reason as a matter of policy. Beat a group of Iraqis for no apparent reason – as a matter of policy. Shot up cars for not obeying US troops at checkpoints – calls them innocents. Shot up the mayor of a village who didn’t obey traffic – squad members bragged about tight shot group on car window. Digging near roads got Iraqis killed (wonder why). “Not a public announcement of the policy – it was policy behind closed doors”.

    Jason Lemieu (sp?) (fifth from left) Three tours. “ROE in Iraq is broadly defined and loosely enforced – anyone saying otherwise is either a fool or a liar”. ROE from commander: “Kill those who need to killed, save those that need to be saved”. Commander; everyone in a black headscarf is a legitimate target. “I can only guess at how many innocent people were killed”. Heard that one Marine refused to shoot a woman carrying groceries, so commander shot her.

    Not the marines’ fault – extreme incompetence of leaders.

    John Michael Turner (Burlington, VT – fourth from right) tears off medals and tosses them to loud applause from crowd. Showed videos of Marines celebrating effective use of firepower and pictures of destroyed buildings (nothing about casualties). Shot people with .50 cal. Troops had no respect for dead bodies as a matter of policy. Enjoys showing grotesque pictures that have nothing to do with the panel. “I shot a guy I call the fat man. When I didn’t kill him with the first round, I shot him again”. Was congratulated for first kill – was promised a four day pass if he could kill someone with a knife.

    He has pictures of his confirmed kills (we’re up to number three – a man on bicycle). When reporters were embedded, ROE changed drastically – “by the book”. The implication is that the media isn’t getting the whole story.

    Some blather about a bracelet and his “choking hand” which was somehow part of the ROE. Shows video of destroying a minaret “because we were angry and taking out our aggression”. “There are many more stories that I don’t have time to tell them all.” “I’m sorry for the hate and destruction I’ve inflicted on other people.” “I’m no longer the monster that I once was.”

    Logan Laituri Army 82d Abn. Volunteered for Afghanistan. Went to Iraw w/1/14th INF 25th Infantry Div. from Hawaii. “Came to my faith and applied for Conscientous Objector status”. Claims he was infantry, but that his duty was that of Forward Observer in Iraq. Claims “no concrete ROE”. Didn’t know that Willy Pete couldn’t be used against personnel. Claims commander instructed that an unarmed dead body would be given a weapon – two troops charged with murder had charges dropped. Blames combat triage policy for death of an Iraqi. “I’m here because I love America”

    James Gilligan (second from left) marines – no unit given. (Sorry I missed the story – we got jerked out for a minute and I missed it). Complains that Afghan police had a private weapons cache. His first sergeant threatened with a pistol a young Iraqi boy who’d hit an Iraqi girl. Stopped a scavenger and was ordered to make his vehicle inoperable. A picture of him in his boxer shorts in the desert (WTF?). Troops stole gold coins and made crank calls to wives of troops deployed. Claims he witnessed waterboarding (he might want to read the news ). “We ignored procedures”.

    Garret Reppenhagen (1st on left) 2/63 Armor “Scout Sniper”. Killed two unarmed guys with .50 cal. for being out after curfew. Claims used 40mm on personnel, too. Claims was never clear on ROE for entire tour. Claims all headquarters pogues are derelicts – “thrown out of their units”. An inexperienced intel major commanded his security detail to shoot a couple of civilian vehicles who turned out to be body guards of a deputy minister. “This kind of confusion goes on every day in Iraq”. “The war is the atrocity”.

    Videos from Iraqis inserted here with subtitles – I’m sure whoever took the videos were looking for good stories about the troops from among the millions of Iraqis and not just a few disgruntled civilians.

    That’s going to do it for me – but Thus Spake Ortner plans on blogging some tomorrow and Sunday so keep your eye on him this weekend. Tomorrow I’m going to the rally for troops on the National Mall, so look for pictures and videos tomorrow night.

    Thank you note: Thanks to all of you for your attention today. And thanks to those numerous other bloggers who sent you here. You’re all in my blogroll – you all rock.

  • Eagles Up and GOE at Winter Soldiers II

    TSO and I went up to the main road during our lunch break and talked with the GOE and Eagles Up folks who were at the entrance to the National Labor College. I thought that their presence is an integral part of this story, too. John Kerry’s Winter Soldier wasn’t protested until 36 years later, these folks are making sure there’s an immediate response. So here are their pictures;

    What surprised me most was the number of people who honked their horns in support of the Veterans out here in Berkeley East – Montgomery County, MD. Maybe folks minds are changing.

    TSO is two-for-two. He’s been hassled by both sides now. The GOE and EU folks were a little upset at the sight of our media passes. But we ended up with hugs all around.

  • Live blogging Winter Soldier II (Part III)

    The third portion is has to do with the evil corporations and the evil contractors.

    Kelly Doughtery (a former MP, second from right in the photo above) testified that (Kellog, Brown and Root) contractors fired beanbag shotgun indiscriminately at Iraqi scanvengers while defending a broken down truck. She was then instructed to destroy the vehicle because it couldn’t be recovered. No one was injured or killed but she’s sure that being hit with beanbags hurts. It wore on her nerves because the Iraqis weren’t allowed to get the diesel fuel from the truck. I guess it really is a war for oil.

    She just doesn’t like war – it made her clothes smell.

    Louis Montalvan, who wore all of his medals on his sports jacket and sits third from the left in the photo, complained about Iraqi corruption, i think. He’s so long winded, I uploaded and posted the pictures in the GOE/EU thread above. I think he’s trying to make the point that we’re being lied to by the Iraqi government. I don’t know – he’s pretty full of himself and in love with sound of his own voice – I’m about ready to fall asleep. TSO and I arrived at the same conclusion separately – just before we both dozed off.

    Oh, well, there he goes finally – Petraeus is lying about Iraqi forces. Whew – he could have said that in the first two minutes and spared us the dreary voice.

    Antonia Juhasz (second from right in photo), intends to give testimony that supports the brave troops deployed in Iraq, let’s see if she does. Well, since she just told us that the war is illegal from beginning and that the troops have an obligation to the Constitution to refuse to serve in the war. So I guess that support for the troops deteriorates if they don’t mutiny. That only took minutes to go from support to disdain. Oh, God, more big words (oh, she’s a minority, so that gives her more credibility).

    Iraq is unsafe for Iraqis. Oh, Haliburton gets mentioned – how did I know that? She’s complaining about Bremer – how long has Bremer been gone? Iraqis were hostile to the reorganization of Iraq because they’d gotten fired. But corporations like Bechtel were just there for the money, so they dragged out rebuilding the infrastructure. 2 1/2 million Iraqis are urged not to return to Iraq – because the infrastructure hasn’t been restored. Of course, the whole war was about oil and about making money for US corporations – and you have to admit that or you just won’t see it all her way. Snooze time!

    Jeremy Scahill (first on right) is upset that Blackwater security aren’t getting thrown in prison. Only two have been convicted he says. 170 companies provide Blackwater-type services in Iraq. He’s upset that private companies supporting US troops are making money – that they’re taking advantage of Iraqis and they poison water they provide for US troops (seems their contract would abruptly end if they did that – there’s no evidence, just believe what they’re telling us).

    “Don’t drink the koolaid of Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama” (energetic applause- finally something we all have in common – I found a home)

    Oh, I see we have to make them stand for immediate withdrawal – not support John McCain – I must’ve misunderstood where he was going.

  • Live blogging Winter Soldier II (Part I)

    There’s a blow-by-blow and more in depth profiles of the testimony at The Sniper by my battle buddy on this operation Thus Spake Ortner.

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    Clifton Hicks and Stephen Casing ; buildings bulldozed is a crime? “I know of people who took advantage of the “free fire zone”, “collateral damage”, “I heard…” “I know for a fact that (700-800 casualties) were civilians because they were on the other side of the road”, “damaged city square is evidence of civilian casualties”. “I know there were no insugents” “Some insurgents engaged with mortar fire from the buildings.”

    Thus Spake Ortner says he saw Dennis Kucinich here.

    Hicks; “A packed Hummvee (82d ABN) engaged insugents after an IED attack – couldn’t find insurgents, kicked in door of house (source of fire) found a wedding party (old Grampa, et al.) troops shot up wedding after receiving fire from house. Found six-year-old dead after paratroopers were done shooting up the party. Not soldiers fault, illustrates carelessness over civilian casualties of the command structure – told to charlie mike.”

    Gerry Kiley (about 60 years old) just jumped up and shouted “Kerry lied, good men died” and was manhandled from the room by security. Here’s a video I found at YouTube of Kiley’s arrest;

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    Stephen Casing; Video of busting up a suspected insurgent house – only occupied by “a little old lady”. The “old lady, we can’t see because of the video quality speaks real good (I mean REAL GOOD) English. Supposed frightened she shouts – “My children! My children! Help me!”

    Mortillo: “Hard to tell who’s the enemy – makes you mad”

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    Jesse (); Iraqis (security forces) don’t show restraint firing their weapons. “I never saw civilians getting killed by these actions” “Pretentious of us to change their culture – Iraq is a lost cause because the Iraqis are so primitive” “it’s their culture – let them do what they want”

    Adam Kokesh; Now claims he was against the war before he went the first time (he’s claimed the opposite at varying times)

    Read aloud the Rules of Engagement (“Isnt that classified?” asked TSO)

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    Unit unofficial motto; “We care so you don’t have to” “So Paul Bremer, Dick Cheney, George Bush doesn’t have to care. SO you can go to the Mall and not think about what we’re doing in Iraq.” Admits that interrogators were punished for abusing captured Iraqis.

    Jason Hurd (medic 2ID) complains that a fifty cal. gunner unloaded 200 hundred rounds returning fire – never shecked the building for casualties so he doesn’t know. He just knows that a fifty cal fired at a building. Appalled that soldiers joked about their exploits “Did you see that car I fired up?”.

    Claims he almost (but didn’t) shoot an 80-year-old woman because she wouldn’t stop for him. Does the Army use medics (noncomabtants) to stop traffic? “If a foreign occupation force took over the US…blah…blah…blah” Enthusiastic applause from crowd.

    Time for a break.

  • Busy week planned

    If you don’t normally read this blog on weekends, you’re going to miss a lot of stuff this weekend. Today I’ll be attending Winter Soldier II with my buddy Thus Spake Ortner from The Sniper. We’ll be live-blogging today’s theater while sitting back-to-back starting at about 9 Am until the whole thing ends tonight. In a conversation with one of the event organizers last night I was told some of the other folks who’d planned on covering the event dropped out because of the drama in the earlier part of the week as covered by Michele Malkin. I was assured that we’ll have a security detail assigned to us and that our safety is guaranteed, though.

    Other bloggers to watch today are my buddy Robin at Chickenhawk Express and Denis Keohane at Obiter Dictum, who has done a fabulous job prepping the rest of us on background of Winter Soldier I and the IVAW testimony up until this point. Another blog to watch for the latest is Blackfive.

    I’ll do my best to get photos and videos of the counterprotesters from Gathering of Eagles and Eagles UP who plan on being outside the National Labor College on New Hampshire Avenue in Silver Springs, Maryland (where Winter Soldier II is being conducted) to let Americans know that there are some of us who are still fairly rational.

    Tomorrow, I’ll be at the rally for the troops on the National Mall to be sponsored by Gathering of Eagles, Eagles Up and several other organizations who’ve come into DC last night to counter IVAW’s presence and I’ll have narrative, pictures and videos of that event up sometime late Saturday. I also hope to meet some of the readers of this blog who’ve emailed me that they’ll be there.

    Wednesday, is ANSWER’s “Day of Action” here in DC starting at about 7:30 AM (they say). ANSWER plans to block recruiting stations, traffic, and just generally pester people trying to make a living in the K Street area all to mark the five year anniversary of the invasion of Hussein’s Iraq. As usual, I’ll be there and document as much of it as I can and that’ll probably be up Wednesday afternoon.

    So you’ll want to keep one eye on this blog over the next week (mostly because the Left has trouble telling time and starting events when they’re scheduled). I’ll cover as much of the action as one guy can and it’ll all be here on the blog.

  • Rally at Times Square Recruiting Station

    Last night I threw up a quick link about the Gathering of Eagles‘ rally at the Times Square Recruiting Station that had been targeted by some whacko bomber earlier in the week. The link was to Pamela Geller’s reportage at Atlas Shrugs (mostly because it included a treasured picture of Pamela herself).

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    This morning I see Jammie Wearing Fool and Urban Infidel also post some photos and narratives of the event.

    Gathering of Eagles New York forum has more along with some great videos. Pamela also links to a Free Republic thread. Eagles Up and Gathering of Eagles also emailed me this link this morning to their Flickr photo set of pictures from yesterday.

    Well done, folks. Thanks for being there for the rest of us.