Our president finally weighed in on the planned mosque in the absent shadow of the World Trade Center towers during his Ramadan dinner at the White House, according to the Associated Press;
“As a citizen, and as president, I believe that Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as anyone else in this country,” Obama said, weighing in for the first time on a controversy that has riven New York City and the nation.
“That includes the right to build a place of worship and a community center on private property in lower Manhattan, in accordance with local laws and ordinances,” he said. “This is America, and our commitment to religious freedom must be unshakable.”
Coincidentally, I found this video tonight;
The video was swiped from Grouchy Old Cripple, thanks to Rurik.
ADDED:
It seems that it not what he really meant to say.
“I was not commenting, and I will not comment, on the wisdom of making the decision to put a mosque there,” Mr. Obama said. “I was commenting very specifically on the right people have that dates back to our founding. That’s what our country is about.”
I had to take a walk outside when I read this at work, lest I put my fist through the computer screen.
Truly this president needs to keep his opinions to himself.
Ok, let me just put my neck out there so Jonn can call me a dick and a fkstk. I did click on your ad, so go gentle:
I agree with him. dum dum DUM….
I mean, I hate any religion that justifies killing unbelievers, that these crazies have used to reign hell on half the globe–BUT– I love that damn consitution MORE.
If anyone can find a link to some crime that shuts them down, I’m all for it, but without it I must support the muslim’s right to build. :/
I DO NOT LIKE IT. But we must show that our way is bigger, stronger, more long-lasting by standing by our Constitution.
ok, but I DON’T like his ramadam dinner plan.
I wouldn’t have an issue with a mosque if it wasn’t being funded by a radical shitbag.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks
Where was Obama on the issue of the Mojave Desert Cross, which was located on private property?
Guess it was the wrong religion.
And when it came to the Israelis building apartments in East Jerusalem, Vice President Bite-Me and Secretary of State Clinton both condemned the plan, even though it was entirely legal and located on Israeli land.
Guess it was the wrong religion.
He’s not the President. He’s the Ayatollah of America.
What the heck, over?
I don’t recall the POC CIC going to the National Day of Prayer, and what about Billy Graham at the Pentagon…. This double shit standard has got to STOP!
It is not a religion…it is a cult. It is the only “religion” in the world that kills.
Found this at Atlas Shrugs. God, I love that woman. Watch this video and at the end it explains the whole religion of peace crap.
” But we must show that our way is bigger, stronger, more long-lasting by standing by our Constitution.” Sorry Boo. You can fix ignorance, but you can’t fix stupid. At some point ya got to call a spade and spade and wake the hell up. I will be damned if I will be praying to the ass end of some muslim.
I have a Muslim CO now; yesterday was spent having a religious tolerance class directly after an EO class. The CO and spouse brought pamphlets explaining the religion and we all had a lengthy discussion; one question the EO Rep asked was how many of us had heard about the planned mosque. Me being me, I raised my hand and when asked what my feelings were I dodged the question, instead stating that I was much more excited about the planned gay bar, since DADT had already been brought up during the EO portion. We cut loose early and I celebrated Ramadan with plenty of alcohol.
I, for one, have no problem with a Muslim commander, nor with the peaceful practitioners of the religion itself. The planned mosque, on the other hand, seems to be questionable in motive and intent.
Oh, and one thing that kind of stands out from yesterday. Sharia law was brought up and the CO mentioned that it would never be able to become the standard in most countries due to the lack of Islamic dominance and the differing cultures and beliefs, mentioning the historical Caliphs and how the Muslim world would never be what it once was. Thinking back, there was something in the way the CO put it that leads me to believe that many Muslims (“peaceful” or not) would prefer an Islamic empire to reemerge. Maybe I had too much beer yesterday and too little coffee today, though.
Right on Boo. You have to take the long view on this. Unfortunately, I don’t hear anyone talking about the irrationality of all religions. Like Sam Harris says, all religions are weird, but some are weirder than others, and Islam is one weird religion. But at this point in this country, for better or worse, you’re supposed to be allowed to practice whatever weirdness you want…
Joe…. building this mosque at that location is akin to the Japanese building a war memorial to their dead alongside the USS Arizona.
This must not be allowed to happen. It’s NOT about the mosque, it’s about the Muslims building a memorial to their conquering of NYC, to their attack on these United States. There;s a REASON it’s named the “Cordoba Mosque” and you ought to read up a bit on that name.
This nation needs to draw a line in the sand and say NO MORE! Islam is incompatible with our Republican form of government, because Islam does not recognize secular law per se. Islam is a form of government, and most muslims only recognize national borders as a sort of geographic recognition, placing their religion above all other things.
If this mosque is built, then we start the downward slide, and the tombstone of our nation will be emblazoned with the words: “Died of Democracy”. The Constitution of these United States is NOT a suicide pact.
Islam is the eternal enemy of liberty, and anyone who ignores that does so at their peril.
I’m with Greg Gutfield. If they build a mosque next to Ground Zero, they should be allowed to build a gay bar right next door. The favorite name I’ve heard so far for the potential gay bar–“The Curved Sword”…
To expand on your post AW1 Tim, I am wondering why more Muslims don’t have empathy or considerations for the very thought that putting up a mosque close to Ground Zero might not be such a good idea. I know one Muslim spoke out with the opinion that it wasn’t a good idea to build this mosque (I’ll see if I can find that link).
To many Muslims, it always seems like it’s always about them. Tolerate my religion. Understand my religion. Accept this, and accept that. Yes, we are a tolerant and diverse nation, but sometimes it helps to have a sense of humility and tolerance towards the feelings and considerations of non Muslims.
Islam is not a religion its an ideology. A very dangerous ideology that every freedom loving person should oppose.In a l way we have already conceded to islam by not rebuilding the twin towers which would have been 2 big fingers for all islamic ideologists to see. The mosque would be the icing on the cake. A sign of our weakness and their strength.
Is it not strange that obama would make this concession to an ideology the day before we celebrate the victory over another ideology?
Joey, did you really say “right on”? I mean, really? Going back to those days of yesteryear again, Joey?
Mike, Owebowma was just carried away by the gloriousness that is a Ramadan dinner, as he look forward to yet another couple of vacations. It’s tough work being an apologist for a bunch of murdering heathens, he needs his time off.
Time to remind everyone of al-Andalus and Caliphate of Córdoba (also Cordova).
Do your own search for details.
This thing is a 13-story mosque known as Cordova House.
Read some history… factor in 9/11 and be concerned.
Truly this president needs to keep his opinions to himself.
Quite the contrary, I hope that Prezbo continues to love the sound of his own voice and that his Useful Idiots® never fail to repeat what he says…it will make Nov 2010 and 2012 a cake walk.
You know, there are crazies in every religion. The Westboro Baptist Church for example protests at military funerals. That doesn’t mean all Christians are fucktards. Just because a handful of people did horrible things and blamed their religion doesn’t mean everyone with that religion is horrible.
As far as the mosque goes… what’s the big deal? The vast majority or Muslims are friendly peace-loving people. If you honestly think otherwise, then you’re a moron and a bigot.
Paul…
Nice strawman argument you got there. Try opening up your mind to reality, and ditching that hippie moral relevance crap you’re flinging around.
Paul, the peace in the “religion of peace” is where muslims taken over everything and everyone else is too afraid to say anything. “Islam” means “submission” in Arabic.
A muslim ALWAYS lies to advance the cause of their moon-goat god. Obama knows that.
I guess the telepromptor was unavailable, so the truth blurted out.
Having grown up in Saudi Arabia (Jeddah, Red Sea side) I can confirm the vast majority of Muslims and decent, honorable people whom regardless of the Quran have no desire to force Islam on others. Not withstanding open expression of any other religion (overt praying in public, passing out bibles, etc.), let alone structures (Churches, etc.) were strictly forbidden and any action above would likely lead to immediate deportation. I also learned the Gawagi (sp), or non-believer had little to no standing in their courts, basically is a Gawagi was involved in some accident, the Gawagi was at fault, evidence and testimony aside. I also remember my mother could not drive but she did not get harassed in any way for not wearing a scarf over her head. I remember shopkeepers often just threw a net over their goods on tables in front of their stores when the went home because they really did cut off hands for stealing. I could go on but this was my “experience” as a child, not an “opinion”.
Obama once again demonstrates his sad lack of education into American history- since the founding our nation, it has been a Christian nation built on moral laws. Only an uneducated idiot would think that from 1789-1900 that communities would allow Muslims to build mosques wherever they wanted without question or comment.
A Conservative Teacher:
I doubt that Obummer is lacking in knowledge of American History; but believe firmly that he is intent on re-writing it. These are progressive/socialist sorts and to them the facts are merely an impedance to getting their message out.
What is more alarming than him, is the vast number of people who refuse to believe what they can read in the Qur’an. This cult that is ISLAM in based on hate, and is no more religous than is the Democrat party. Religion, or the perception of same, is but a tool to them. Any muslim who does not advocate for supremecy is not a “good muslim”, and does not follow the teachings of their book(s).
“GOD Bless the Infidel!”
Do they have the right to build a mosque near ground zero – absolutely, positively yes. Should they build it – that’s another question entirely. I’m even less crazy about islam than I am about christianity, but to every one of you that trumpets the essential verities of the constitution (when it suits your purposes anyway), you know they have the right to build it.
Okay Joe–let’s see how “tolerant” they are when they put the strip club and Muslim gay bar next door.
Name suggestions for the neighboring gay bar:
Twin Towers
Mohammed’s Man Meet (I think this was Jimbo’s idea)
The Queeran
Urge all to view the video Mew posted in #8. Islam is not a religion but a violent cult bent on world domination. Islam is not compatable with any society that is non-Islam. Islam and a Judeo/Christian society are not compatable as they are our enemy. Muslims are taught to lie to infidels if it enhances Islam and sharia. Our military has got to get rid of its political correctness and realize Islam for what it is: a threat to the Republic. Also think because of what Islam dictates, all muslims should be mustered out of uniform. Time for this country to wake up and smell the coffee.
What would Obama say if they wanted to build a Sons of the Confederacy Museum next to the site where Martin Luther King were assassinated?
Not to hijack this thread too much, and in keeping with the idea of strip clubs next to the mosque, seems like those who want us to tolerate this mosque are hypocrites at times:
http://www.newsrealblog.com/2010/08/05/irony-def-jam-co-founder-demands-tolerance-of-ground-zero-mosque/
Now he’s changing his tune:
If there’s anything worse than person that holds views you don’t care for, it’s one that doesn’t even have the balls to stand by them and easily swayed by public opinion.
AP– he would say it was wrong, evil and all of that– but when it came down to the end of it, they’d have a right to build it. I don’t support the mosque in ANY way. but I do not want ANY governement entity to tell anyone what they can build on private property.
I love love love love the strip club idea.
I don’t see anything wrong with setting up a sons of the confederate veterans near where MLK was shot. In a country that hosts millions of muslims, is it really a surprise that they want to set up a large place of worship in the largest city in the nation. I’m guessing I’ll just hear more “damn them for having the same religious freedoms I do!” argument. Of the millions of Muslim Americans – many of whom I served with proudly in the Army – only a handful have been shown to be “crazies” who’re bent on world domination or whatever other nut-job conspiracies people come up with.
Ah bigotry is such a horrible thing. Muslims aren’t out to get you – and neither are Mexicans, African Americans, or even the Jews.
I think the gay strip bar is a great idea. Let’s call it “Pecker Mecca”. Oh… and there can be a pulled pork BBQ place on the other side.
Thanks so much for your condescension, Paul. It’s apparent you have yet to avail yourself of any of the writings on Cordoba, Spain, or writings on the Koran, Q’uran, or however they spell it. How naive can you be? “A large place of worship in the largest city in the nation”? Really, if it meant that much to them, why not in D.C.?
Mexicans may not be out to get us, but some of them, at least, are out to get what they see as rightfully theirs. At the expense of those who actually come here the right way.
Well, one thing will be different with THIS mosque.
The FBI WILL bug it, and the BATF WILL raid it.
They might want to stick with that “religion of peace” business, because anyone caught with a stack of weapons will go to jail for a very long time.
Their religion isn’t going to matter…whether their FFL is current or not will, however!
Paul,
You are completely missing the point….they have LOTS of Mosques in New York already. Why not read some of what their “Imam” has said in the past? If you want to read the part about “Muslim outreach” and nothing else…feel free. Why would they want to promote goodwill and outreach by pissing off as many people as they possibly could? I’ll wager they don’t. Kinda like the Westboro Baptist dickheads claiming they want to spread a message of tolerance.
BTW, a Greek Orthodox “Christian” church was in the area BEFORE 9/11 and was destroyed by the bombings….they’re not allowed to rebuild….how come?
I’m thinking we get a few guys together and put up the Paul Tibbets Memorial Cultural Center and Enola Gay exhibit in downtown Hiroshima. Anybody want to chip in?
Religions are like computer viruses or worms – they infect their host, offering little benefit to the host, and do their best to replicate to other hosts (see Daniel Dennet’s story of the ant and the flatworm: http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/dan_dennett_on_dangerous_memes.html). The specific tenets of Islam make it very effective at propagating, and very hard to get rid of once a host has been infected (as in any muslim who renounces islam seserves to die). I wish as a species we could dump these archaic ways of thinking.
How is liberalism or progressivism, or whatever it’s called this week,any different in that regard? It’s just a blind obedience to faith – a corrupt faith in irrational ideals.
‘Religion is meant to give comfort and peace. When it is twisted to control or coerce its followers — to invoke fear or mindless obedience — then it becomes a weapon in the hands of tyrants.’
These aren’t my words. I read them years ago, I don’t remember where.
I’ve never read anything much more accurate than this.
PintoNag – Read Jared Diamond’s ideas on the evolution of religion. In hunter/gatherer groups, religion had a purely explanatroy role, didn’t get into morals and “proper” behavior. Religions have coevolved with civilization starting 10-12,000 years ago to fufill the purposes you mention above.
Jonn – Quite the contrary. Liberalism is based on empiricism and rationalism, and just as scientists argue about various theories until evidence proves one point or the other, liberals have different ideas on how to improve the human condition. All their different perspectives makes them seem disorganized and scattered. This in contrast to conservatives, who latch on to one or two bumper sticker type slogans, and repeat them over and over ad naseum. One thing you have to give conservatives credit for is sticking to their message, however irrational or bankrupt.
Joe, are your eyes brown? Like I said before, I suspect you’re not really a liberal, but a conservative who like to stir up controversy. Even a liberal can’t be as stupid as you try to sound. Nice try, though – you almost had me fooled.
You mean to say there’s something wrong with the slogans on my bumperstickers????? : )
Liberalism is based on empiricism and rationalism
The Law of Supply and demand
The Theory of evolution.
Please tell me which has complete empirical evidence and which does not?
Old Tanker,
They’re mislabeld. Should be the Law of Evoultion and the Theory of Supply and Demand. A lot of economic theories hae been disproven inthe last three years – ask Alan Greenspan. And please don’t get me started on all the trillions of pieces of evidence supporting evolution. The Law of Gravity has less supporting evidence than the “Theory” of Evolution. You do believe in gravity, don’t you?
They’re mislabeled ‘cuz you said so? Please, as a former science teacher they are aptly named. And no, I’m not a creationist, I do believe that evolution is the most logical theory but to claim it has more evidence than gravity? (conclusive anyway) Trillions? Not even remotely close by a factor of 100, there is nothing rational about throwing out numbers like that unless you spend money like democrats…
Joe joe joe, you’re making yourself sound like an idiot again.
A theory in technical use is a more or less verified or established explanation accounting for known facts or phenomena: the theory of relativity.
Law as in philosophy or science, is a principle based on the predictable consequences of an act, condition, etc.: the law of supply and demand.
They are not mislabeled, you just don’t understand the language. I’ll leave alone your spelling because I don’t put much emphasis on spelling myself. But I have at least figured out how to use spell check, try it sometime.
A lot of economic theories hae been disproven inthe last three years
Like the theory of giving home loans to people that can’t afford them?
Good one OT. 🙂